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Yeah SF is terrible and I really think it’s all downstream from the ridiculous housing prices and lack of good transportation options. In NYC you can live in a

Yeah SF is terrible and I really think it’s all downstream from the ridiculous housing prices and lack of good transportation options. In NYC you can live in an outer borough and commute in for your job, eat cheap (and tasty) in Chinatown, a bodega, a slice shop, or a halal cart, not waste time driving or parking… it all adds up.

inferiorhuman 4y ago
In NYC you can live in an outer borough and commute in for your job You can do the same thing in San Francisco, with less hassle (the late night shutdowns in New York are a colossal pain in my experience). New York has plenty of structural problems with the layout of the subway e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhQoZqKMQE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhQoZqKMQE
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  A morning commute from the Marina District to the Financial District, which is an extremely generous analog to "traveling from the outer boroughs" would take more than 30 minutes because... you have to take a bus backwards for 3 stops just to get to a subway entrance. But if you leave at 8:30 thinking that you have a 30 minute ride, traffic backs up so badly that taking a bus 25 stops clean across the city to Market and Church, so you can then take a subway is the recommended option, turning it into a 43 minute ordeal. - In no reality would you ever need to ride 25 stops to get to a subway station from an outer borough in NYC.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    you have to take a bus backwards for 3 stops just to get to a subway entrance So don't take the subway? I don't know where you're going to or from, but bussing it to Church to get to the Financial District sounds like the most awkward way to accomplish your commute. In no reality would you ever need to ride 25 stops to get to a subway station from an outer borough in NYC. I just picked a random spot (Flushing Chinese Baptist Church, 65th Avenue, Queens) and asked for a route to Penn Station. The second route that the MTA's site spit out included 21 stops on the Q25 followed by another 3 stops (and 20 minutes!) on a rail line. Hell, getting from Ridgewood to JFK required a trek back into Manhattan even though they're both in Queens. The NY subway does not have particularly comprehensive coverage of the outer neighborhoods.
  - tayo42 4y ago
    That's only true if your in the closest neighborhoods of the Brooklyn or Queens to Manhattan. Jamaica to NYC is so long, and tons of Brooklyn doesn't have subway coverage. Midtown to wall st is 30 minutes of subway riding
  - mistersquid 4y ago
    > A morning commute from the Marina District to the Financial District, You’re overcomplicating the commute. Take the 132 Southbound, about 15 mins during morning rush hour. My guess, though, is you’re not really complaining about a specific commute as much as the paucity of rail in SF, and other faster commute options than bus. Relatively crummy public transport in SF is a valid gripe. But in larger context, it seems you’re just not happy in/with SF. Could also be you’re just not happy. If you’re looking to improve your experience, you might do well to consider that SF probably won’t be “fixed” inside our lifetimes.
    - fragmede 4y ago
      I don't live in the affected parts of the city but it sounds like you might - does the new Central line, from Chinatown Rose-Pak to Sunnydale, meaningfully affect transit along that corridor?
      - inferiorhuman 4y ago
        No.
      - mistersquid 4y ago
        > does the new Central line, from Chinatown Rose-Pak to Sunnydale, meaningfully affect transit along that corridor? I haven't had the opportunity to see let alone take that new line. I'll have to check it out. That said, the route Marina to FiDi (mentioned in GGP) is at a right angle and about half a mile south of the Chinatown Rose-Pak station.
- more_corn 4y ago
  What? No.

inferiorhuman 4y ago

In NYC you can live in an outer borough and commute in for your job You can do the same thing in San Francisco, with less hassle (the late night shutdowns in New York are a colossal pain in my experience). New York has plenty of structural problems with the layout of the subway e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhQoZqKMQE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhQoZqKMQE

BoorishBears 4y ago
A morning commute from the Marina District to the Financial District, which is an extremely generous analog to "traveling from the outer boroughs" would take more than 30 minutes because... you have to take a bus backwards for 3 stops just to get to a subway entrance. But if you leave at 8:30 thinking that you have a 30 minute ride, traffic backs up so badly that taking a bus 25 stops clean across the city to Market and Church, so you can then take a subway is the recommended option, turning it into a 43 minute ordeal. - In no reality would you ever need to ride 25 stops to get to a subway station from an outer borough in NYC.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  you have to take a bus backwards for 3 stops just to get to a subway entrance So don't take the subway? I don't know where you're going to or from, but bussing it to Church to get to the Financial District sounds like the most awkward way to accomplish your commute. In no reality would you ever need to ride 25 stops to get to a subway station from an outer borough in NYC. I just picked a random spot (Flushing Chinese Baptist Church, 65th Avenue, Queens) and asked for a route to Penn Station. The second route that the MTA's site spit out included 21 stops on the Q25 followed by another 3 stops (and 20 minutes!) on a rail line. Hell, getting from Ridgewood to JFK required a trek back into Manhattan even though they're both in Queens. The NY subway does not have particularly comprehensive coverage of the outer neighborhoods.
- tayo42 4y ago
  That's only true if your in the closest neighborhoods of the Brooklyn or Queens to Manhattan. Jamaica to NYC is so long, and tons of Brooklyn doesn't have subway coverage. Midtown to wall st is 30 minutes of subway riding
- mistersquid 4y ago
  > A morning commute from the Marina District to the Financial District, You’re overcomplicating the commute. Take the 132 Southbound, about 15 mins during morning rush hour. My guess, though, is you’re not really complaining about a specific commute as much as the paucity of rail in SF, and other faster commute options than bus. Relatively crummy public transport in SF is a valid gripe. But in larger context, it seems you’re just not happy in/with SF. Could also be you’re just not happy. If you’re looking to improve your experience, you might do well to consider that SF probably won’t be “fixed” inside our lifetimes.
  - fragmede 4y ago
    I don't live in the affected parts of the city but it sounds like you might - does the new Central line, from Chinatown Rose-Pak to Sunnydale, meaningfully affect transit along that corridor?
    - inferiorhuman 4y ago
      No.
    - mistersquid 4y ago
      > does the new Central line, from Chinatown Rose-Pak to Sunnydale, meaningfully affect transit along that corridor? I haven't had the opportunity to see let alone take that new line. I'll have to check it out. That said, the route Marina to FiDi (mentioned in GGP) is at a right angle and about half a mile south of the Chinatown Rose-Pak station.
more_corn 4y ago
What? No.