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If you can call working many hours, creating nothing, earning just enough to get by a success. It also ignores others - human relationships. This is why so man

If you can call working many hours, creating nothing, earning just enough to get by a success. It also ignores others - human relationships. This is why so many people push it back onto their children to have it better, but it typically does not work for either them or their kids. Having minimal means to survive, including health, is but a necessary condition for being a whole, successful person.

AmericanChopper 4y ago
That’s a rather smug and ignorant way of looking at somebody pulling themself out of what was basically a ghetto. Being able to take financial responsibility for myself was a tremendous success for me at the time, and it was an absolutely essential first step for me to take in building a much better life for myself.
- AstralStorm 4y ago
  Yes, it is essential, but it is not a success. It is averting abject immediate failure at best. Definition of success for more people would be starting a family or helping theirs out. Which you almost certainly cannot do these days with even copious amounts of hard work, not you can build something just ever slightly more with that. Savings? Don't exist really, are subject to every whim and throw of economy. Use a calculator and multiply how much of forever you will have to work to establish basic stability. As is your boss of that gastronomic business, even in North Korea. Owning an actual place to live that will not be taken from you on a whim, hmm? Even farmers are subject to a degree of luck they're not always allowed to play around...
  - mantas 4y ago
    You're just pushing goal posts. And „basic stability“ in many parts of the world is much simpler than westerners look for. Savings to keep roof over your head and food on the table for next few months in many cases is success. There's no objective way to determine what is success. It depends a lot on one's background.

AmericanChopper 4y ago

That’s a rather smug and ignorant way of looking at somebody pulling themself out of what was basically a ghetto. Being able to take financial responsibility for myself was a tremendous success for me at the time, and it was an absolutely essential first step for me to take in building a much better life for myself.

AstralStorm 4y ago
Yes, it is essential, but it is not a success. It is averting abject immediate failure at best. Definition of success for more people would be starting a family or helping theirs out. Which you almost certainly cannot do these days with even copious amounts of hard work, not you can build something just ever slightly more with that. Savings? Don't exist really, are subject to every whim and throw of economy. Use a calculator and multiply how much of forever you will have to work to establish basic stability. As is your boss of that gastronomic business, even in North Korea. Owning an actual place to live that will not be taken from you on a whim, hmm? Even farmers are subject to a degree of luck they're not always allowed to play around...
- mantas 4y ago
  You're just pushing goal posts. And „basic stability“ in many parts of the world is much simpler than westerners look for. Savings to keep roof over your head and food on the table for next few months in many cases is success. There's no objective way to determine what is success. It depends a lot on one's background.