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I think that's a trivial question which is almost entirely about economics and business culture and says a lot more about the concept of property as a moral rig

I think that's a trivial question which is almost entirely about economics and business culture and says a lot more about the concept of property as a moral right than it does about machine learning. It's trivial because the real question is "Can AI produce creative work which is at least culturally equivalent - and perhaps even better - than the best human creative work?" I'm fairly sure the answer to that question is "Yes". Because as soon as you go past modelling content and start modelling psychology, aesthetics, politics, and the dynamics of culture itself, the question answers itself. With fast-enough processing and a large enough dataset, why wouldn't Behavioural/Political/Cultural AI be possible, perhaps with different AI systems using culture and human affect itself as a memetic battlefield? Of course then we're very much not in Kansas any more, Toto. The danger - actually the likelihood - is that AI becomes an irresistibly seductive mechanised sociopath, able to automate everything, including politics, culture, and everything else that makes humans human. But what about ethics, you ask? How much AI research is asking that question at all, never mind taking it seriously?

godelski 4y ago
> But what about ethics, you ask? > How much AI research is asking that question at all, never mind taking it seriously? I think quite a lot of us (speaking as a researcher) are in fact asking ethic questions. But I think there is nuance we're making decisions on that others don't get. I think there are also nuances that many artists get that we researchers don't. Unfortunately I think we're frequently speaking past one another, and worse, we like sensationalism and so this is even being encouraged. That makes us to talk in bubbles because we feel like we're not being heard and get understandably frustrated. But this is a societal issue and as such we need a lot of points of views to resolve and the bubbling effect will prevent us doing this in a useful manner. Communication in the global era is harder than we're primed to think because communication in local groups has far fewer issues and when there are issues they are often quickly resolved.

godelski 4y ago

> But what about ethics, you ask? > How much AI research is asking that question at all, never mind taking it seriously? I think quite a lot of us (speaking as a researcher) are in fact asking ethic questions. But I think there is nuance we're making decisions on that others don't get. I think there are also nuances that many artists get that we researchers don't. Unfortunately I think we're frequently speaking past one another, and worse, we like sensationalism and so this is even being encouraged. That makes us to talk in bubbles because we feel like we're not being heard and get understandably frustrated. But this is a societal issue and as such we need a lot of points of views to resolve and the bubbling effect will prevent us doing this in a useful manner. Communication in the global era is harder than we're primed to think because communication in local groups has far fewer issues and when there are issues they are often quickly resolved.