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>queerness is very much still edgy and not particularly accepted by the dominant/mainstream culture Being supported by advertising, movies, tv shows, signaled

>queerness is very much still edgy and not particularly accepted by the dominant/mainstream culture Being supported by advertising, movies, tv shows, signaled by major corporations and workplaces, and supported top-down by the government means its edgy and counterculture? We live in completely different realities I guess.

czx4f4bd 4y ago
> Aside from monogamous gay people Where are all these ads, movies, and TV shows depicting non-monogamous queer relationships? How is the government providing this "top-down" support? Are there now tax breaks for people in poly relationships?
- mshake2 4y ago
  >Where are all these ads, movies, and TV shows depicting non-monogamous queer relationships? Are you kidding me? https://www.hbomax.com/collections/lgbtq-voices https://www.netflix.com/browse/genre/100010 >How is the government providing this "top-down" support? https://joebiden.com/lgbtq-policy/# This is not "edgy counterculture"
  - flangola7 4y ago
    I don't see significant featuring of non monogamy there
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  SWAT, Billions?
bglazer 4y ago
Being LGBTQ is one of the few identities or choices that will result in being disowned by a significant portion of American families. That attitude is edging out of the mainstream but it’s practically dogma among evangelicals and other socially conservative groups. So yes, those people do live in a different reality, where Biden admin policy and “Will and Grace” don’t matter at all.
- mshake2 4y ago
  You're making an emotional argument (LGBTQ people get disowned by families) against a logical argument (LGBTQ is supported at so many levels of culture that it no longer counts as "counterculture").
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    We only need to make a compelling virtuous argument and we'll have the Greek trifecta! Pathos, Logos, and Ethos
  - bglazer 4y ago
    No I’m not. The culture of many, many Americans is so anti-LGBTQ that they’ll disown their family. Thats their culture! There is not one American culture, social conservatism is a very common culture in America, and being LGBTQ is counter to that culture. Ergo LGBTQ culture is counterculture.
    - mshake2 4y ago
      That's not what counterculture is. Counterculture is counter the mainstream culture. Which is more mainstream in the US, (ie, in media, art, products, government, businesses, etc): suppressing LGBTQ people or giving LGBTQ people a platform? It's pretty obvious if you're being honest. You appear to be suggesting that it counts for nothing because some LGBTQ people get disowned by some conservative or religious people.
      - dmix 4y ago
        This thread keeps conflating a subset of culture which exists within families or small subsets of already small towns within America which is a subset of western culture... in order to dismiss the dominant mainstream culture from which counter cultures are sprung from on the wider internet. Despite the fact these current cultural trends and related ideologies are very much dominant on every major western social media platform and even more so among dominant traditional media platforms (and their executives and journalists). Yet they still pretend it's not the default culture in the west. The existence of pushback from significant/influential parts of the population != you're not the dominant mainstream culture.

czx4f4bd 4y ago

> Aside from monogamous gay people Where are all these ads, movies, and TV shows depicting non-monogamous queer relationships? How is the government providing this "top-down" support? Are there now tax breaks for people in poly relationships?

mshake2 4y ago
>Where are all these ads, movies, and TV shows depicting non-monogamous queer relationships? Are you kidding me? https://www.hbomax.com/collections/lgbtq-voices https://www.netflix.com/browse/genre/100010 >How is the government providing this "top-down" support? https://joebiden.com/lgbtq-policy/# This is not "edgy counterculture"
- flangola7 4y ago
  I don't see significant featuring of non monogamy there
quickthrower2 4y ago
SWAT, Billions?

bglazer 4y ago

Being LGBTQ is one of the few identities or choices that will result in being disowned by a significant portion of American families. That attitude is edging out of the mainstream but it’s practically dogma among evangelicals and other socially conservative groups. So yes, those people do live in a different reality, where Biden admin policy and “Will and Grace” don’t matter at all.

mshake2 4y ago
You're making an emotional argument (LGBTQ people get disowned by families) against a logical argument (LGBTQ is supported at so many levels of culture that it no longer counts as "counterculture").
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  We only need to make a compelling virtuous argument and we'll have the Greek trifecta! Pathos, Logos, and Ethos
- bglazer 4y ago
  No I’m not. The culture of many, many Americans is so anti-LGBTQ that they’ll disown their family. Thats their culture! There is not one American culture, social conservatism is a very common culture in America, and being LGBTQ is counter to that culture. Ergo LGBTQ culture is counterculture.
  - mshake2 4y ago
    That's not what counterculture is. Counterculture is counter the mainstream culture. Which is more mainstream in the US, (ie, in media, art, products, government, businesses, etc): suppressing LGBTQ people or giving LGBTQ people a platform? It's pretty obvious if you're being honest. You appear to be suggesting that it counts for nothing because some LGBTQ people get disowned by some conservative or religious people.
    - dmix 4y ago
      This thread keeps conflating a subset of culture which exists within families or small subsets of already small towns within America which is a subset of western culture... in order to dismiss the dominant mainstream culture from which counter cultures are sprung from on the wider internet. Despite the fact these current cultural trends and related ideologies are very much dominant on every major western social media platform and even more so among dominant traditional media platforms (and their executives and journalists). Yet they still pretend it's not the default culture in the west. The existence of pushback from significant/influential parts of the population != you're not the dominant mainstream culture.