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I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and

I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a product sold to advertisers. I hope we're at the beginning of a shift to widespread paid "information" products and away from the race to the bottom an ad-supported tech ecosystem has become Edited to be more precise

_tom_ 4y ago
> I think chatGPt is mostly a toy people will get bored with. I think that would be correct, if ChatGPT doesn't continue to improve. Given the rate of progress so far, most of us are expecting that there will be much more progress, and it will continue to add more value. This is where it becomes foundational. Or Skynet :-)
- gtirloni 4y ago
  What are examples of that rate of progress? Are you talking about ChatGPT itself or the field?
  - _tom_ 4y ago
    Both. Everything around ai is moving incredibly fast.
    - gtirloni 4y ago
      Could you give some concrete examples in ChatGPT's? This field is very abstract to me.
quacked 4y ago
I think you're wrong, many programmers already prefer ChatGPT over StackOverflow.
- smeagull 4y ago
  Stack Overflow is an amazing tool to find solutions to problems that worked 5 to 10 years ago, while newer versions of those questions get closed for being duplicates.
  - irowe 4y ago
    As they should be. No sense in fragmenting questions just because the best answer may have changed.
- jimnotgym 4y ago
  I don't. I asked it a solution to a problem using Flask and it gave me a partially working and an incredibly naive solution. I went to Google and found a few naive solutions each with discussions about why they will not work in certain cases. I spotted a blog by a trusted expert, and found the answer I wanted. GPT was convinced, however, that is naive solution was fine.
adam_arthur 4y ago
Dunno if I agree about the "toy" part. I was learning a new programming language the other day and ChatGPT was able to provide much more focused/helpful responses than Google. Specifically about details of Rust borrow checker, certain syntax etc It's true that it can give false info at times, but everything it fed to me was true at the time. Time to meaningful response much faster than Google for certain categories of questions... It may not be a step towards AGI at all, but it's certainly useful
- moffkalast 4y ago
  It's certainly at least a step to far better knowledge aggregation, with SEO rapidly ruining search engines as they currently exist.
  - danuker 4y ago
    I think the filler SEO pages rubbed onto ChatGPT giving it a sort of roundabout filler tone.
- aatd86 4y ago
  Agreed. Same experience. It can often ouput some falsities but when one knows what they are doing... It can accelerate coding quite a lot or be a great help in designing algorithms. Especially since it can ouput code. (from a statement of requirements in natutal language) Pretty useful. Faster than going through links after links on a search engine.
- danuker 4y ago
  > It may not be a step towards AGI at all It caught on quite quickly for it not to be something very important.
DebtDeflation 4y ago
>not a stepping stone to something more like AGI Why does AGI even need to be part of any of these discussions? It's a ridiculous pop-sci topic, and anyone who works in ML knows we're nowhere near achieving AGI. That said, what ChatGPT/GPT-3/LLMs represent is a potential new way for people to interact with a corpus of documents that goes far beyond traditional search and knowledge graphs.
keithnz 4y ago
I think it's easy to see it as a toy, that's basically how I played with it to start with, it's fun to get it to write stuff about all kinds of things. But it actually has a fair amount of knowledge that has crossed over a threshold where it is useful to ask it questions on a bunch of topics, including programming.
jonchurch_ 4y ago
It bears mentioning that the mission of OpenAI is to work towards AGI. ChatGPT is, in the view of OpenAI, one step among many along the way. How it fits into their vision, no clue. But they are certainly happy to monetize this toy to continue funding their real mission. To this outsider, it looks like a win win. > OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity. > We will attempt to directly build safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome. https://openai.com/about/ https://openai.com/about/

_tom_ 4y ago

> I think chatGPt is mostly a toy people will get bored with. I think that would be correct, if ChatGPT doesn't continue to improve. Given the rate of progress so far, most of us are expecting that there will be much more progress, and it will continue to add more value. This is where it becomes foundational. Or Skynet :-)

gtirloni 4y ago
What are examples of that rate of progress? Are you talking about ChatGPT itself or the field?
- _tom_ 4y ago
  Both. Everything around ai is moving incredibly fast.
  - gtirloni 4y ago
    Could you give some concrete examples in ChatGPT's? This field is very abstract to me.

quacked 4y ago

I think you're wrong, many programmers already prefer ChatGPT over StackOverflow.

smeagull 4y ago
Stack Overflow is an amazing tool to find solutions to problems that worked 5 to 10 years ago, while newer versions of those questions get closed for being duplicates.
- irowe 4y ago
  As they should be. No sense in fragmenting questions just because the best answer may have changed.
jimnotgym 4y ago
I don't. I asked it a solution to a problem using Flask and it gave me a partially working and an incredibly naive solution. I went to Google and found a few naive solutions each with discussions about why they will not work in certain cases. I spotted a blog by a trusted expert, and found the answer I wanted. GPT was convinced, however, that is naive solution was fine.

adam_arthur 4y ago

Dunno if I agree about the "toy" part. I was learning a new programming language the other day and ChatGPT was able to provide much more focused/helpful responses than Google. Specifically about details of Rust borrow checker, certain syntax etc It's true that it can give false info at times, but everything it fed to me was true at the time. Time to meaningful response much faster than Google for certain categories of questions... It may not be a step towards AGI at all, but it's certainly useful

moffkalast 4y ago
It's certainly at least a step to far better knowledge aggregation, with SEO rapidly ruining search engines as they currently exist.
- danuker 4y ago
  I think the filler SEO pages rubbed onto ChatGPT giving it a sort of roundabout filler tone.
aatd86 4y ago
Agreed. Same experience. It can often ouput some falsities but when one knows what they are doing... It can accelerate coding quite a lot or be a great help in designing algorithms. Especially since it can ouput code. (from a statement of requirements in natutal language) Pretty useful. Faster than going through links after links on a search engine.
danuker 4y ago
> It may not be a step towards AGI at all It caught on quite quickly for it not to be something very important.

DebtDeflation 4y ago

>not a stepping stone to something more like AGI Why does AGI even need to be part of any of these discussions? It's a ridiculous pop-sci topic, and anyone who works in ML knows we're nowhere near achieving AGI. That said, what ChatGPT/GPT-3/LLMs represent is a potential new way for people to interact with a corpus of documents that goes far beyond traditional search and knowledge graphs.

keithnz 4y ago

I think it's easy to see it as a toy, that's basically how I played with it to start with, it's fun to get it to write stuff about all kinds of things. But it actually has a fair amount of knowledge that has crossed over a threshold where it is useful to ask it questions on a bunch of topics, including programming.

jonchurch_ 4y ago

It bears mentioning that the mission of OpenAI is to work towards AGI. ChatGPT is, in the view of OpenAI, one step among many along the way. How it fits into their vision, no clue. But they are certainly happy to monetize this toy to continue funding their real mission. To this outsider, it looks like a win win. > OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity. > We will attempt to directly build safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome. https://openai.com/about/ https://openai.com/about/