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A European Google VP just confirmed that it was not scammers or someone posing as Google, it was Google employees.

by JS_startup 15y ago

blhack 15y ago
Source? edit: source is in boingboing article
- pja 15y ago
  http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-were-mortified-a.html http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-were-mortified-a.htm...
  - eurleif 15y ago
    It's hard to tell from the wording, but it sounds like they're apologizing before actually catching the people internally.
ellyagg 15y ago
This thread stands as a testament to the strong pro-Google bias in the comments section of Hacker News. The bias is hard to prove, as any cultural bias is, but it's nevertheless a tide ebbing against every discussion here. The majority of comments, including the top rated one, were extremely dismissive, e.g., "malarky", and glossed or contorted the facts repeatedly to make it seem as though scammers could have easily been responsible for the evidence trail. It was always beyond unlikely that scammers could have access to a a Google corporate headquarters IP. Nor is, as was claimed in the BoingBoing comments, spoofing IP addresses something that can done without some vanishingly unlikely access to Internet infrastructure.
- JS_startup 15y ago
  I have a theory that posits that the bulk of HN's subscribership is made up of Google employees who are here to astroturf. Initial test results: inconclusive but promising.
  - alphamale3000 15y ago
    Of course, they have 20% of their work-time to invest in astroturfing HN ;-)
- silverlight 15y ago
  Indeed, I'm waiting for the (many) naysayers in these comment threads to apologize to the OP. While many preached not getting out the pitchforks and blaming Google until they had a chance to respond, that didn't stop them from immediately providing excuses and reasons why the OP had not done his homework or was full of 'malarky'.
- eurleif 15y ago
  > It was always beyond unlikely that scammers could have access to a a Google corporate headquarters IP. Did you read your gp? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3461252 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3461252 Google Translate seems to explain this pretty well.
- blhack 15y ago
  This thread stands as a testament to the fact that HN, unlike other places, waits to see what is actually happening before sharpening the pitchforks. The "evidence against google" here was razor thin, and we still haven't actually seen anything damning, just a sortof generic "we're looking into it and are pre-emtively sorry for what happened".
  - macrael 15y ago
    There's a difference between saying "let's wait to see what Google has to say, this could be something else." and saying "This is clearly bullshit." Is Cory Doctorow's reputation such that he should be so quickly dismissed? The last paragraph from the report [emphasis mine]: The conclusion is hard to escape: Google -- or people working on its behalf, with its knowledge and cooperation -- took the numbers of tens of thousands of Kenyan businesses from Mocality's database, then fraudulently solicited money from them by claiming to be in a joint venture with Mocality. This seems to me to be outright criminal activity, and Google has a lot of explaining to do. The paragraph from a Google VP [emphasis mine]: We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved. Looks like the conclusion Cory found hard to escape was exactly the right conclusion.
    - nl 15y ago
      Is Cory Doctorow's reputation such that he should be so quickly dismissed? With all due respect to Doctorow, many on HN know quite a lot more about how the internet works than he does. I know at least two ways to make arbitrary requests from a Google IP that haven't been mentioned on the comments to this story, and I don't claim any mad hackerz skillz. I think the evidence pointed towards Google being responsible, and that's what I said. But I, and many others said to wait before drawing a final conclusion. I think that that's a reasonable approach.
      - 15y ago
AznHisoka 15y ago
Why would Google employees do this? Such risky venture and for what? An extra bonus? Moving up the career ladder? Unless they were doing a startup privately, it makes no sense... why go through such desperate measures? It makes one wonder if people in the search term can manually mess around with the results to promote their own interests.
- JS_startup 15y ago
  To get the drop on an emerging market. Obviously the 200 rupee hosting costs are negligible, but becoming the de facto tech provider in an emerging market like Kenya is worth millions.

A European Google VP just confirmed that it was not scammers or someone posing as Google, it was Google employees.

blhack 15y ago

Source? edit: source is in boingboing article

pja 15y ago
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-were-mortified-a.html http://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/google-were-mortified-a.htm...
- eurleif 15y ago
  It's hard to tell from the wording, but it sounds like they're apologizing before actually catching the people internally.

ellyagg 15y ago

This thread stands as a testament to the strong pro-Google bias in the comments section of Hacker News. The bias is hard to prove, as any cultural bias is, but it's nevertheless a tide ebbing against every discussion here. The majority of comments, including the top rated one, were extremely dismissive, e.g., "malarky", and glossed or contorted the facts repeatedly to make it seem as though scammers could have easily been responsible for the evidence trail. It was always beyond unlikely that scammers could have access to a a Google corporate headquarters IP. Nor is, as was claimed in the BoingBoing comments, spoofing IP addresses something that can done without some vanishingly unlikely access to Internet infrastructure.

JS_startup 15y ago
I have a theory that posits that the bulk of HN's subscribership is made up of Google employees who are here to astroturf. Initial test results: inconclusive but promising.
- alphamale3000 15y ago
  Of course, they have 20% of their work-time to invest in astroturfing HN ;-)
silverlight 15y ago
Indeed, I'm waiting for the (many) naysayers in these comment threads to apologize to the OP. While many preached not getting out the pitchforks and blaming Google until they had a chance to respond, that didn't stop them from immediately providing excuses and reasons why the OP had not done his homework or was full of 'malarky'.
eurleif 15y ago
> It was always beyond unlikely that scammers could have access to a a Google corporate headquarters IP. Did you read your gp? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3461252 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3461252 Google Translate seems to explain this pretty well.
blhack 15y ago
This thread stands as a testament to the fact that HN, unlike other places, waits to see what is actually happening before sharpening the pitchforks. The "evidence against google" here was razor thin, and we still haven't actually seen anything damning, just a sortof generic "we're looking into it and are pre-emtively sorry for what happened".
- macrael 15y ago
  There's a difference between saying "let's wait to see what Google has to say, this could be something else." and saying "This is clearly bullshit." Is Cory Doctorow's reputation such that he should be so quickly dismissed? The last paragraph from the report [emphasis mine]: The conclusion is hard to escape: Google -- or people working on its behalf, with its knowledge and cooperation -- took the numbers of tens of thousands of Kenyan businesses from Mocality's database, then fraudulently solicited money from them by claiming to be in a joint venture with Mocality. This seems to me to be outright criminal activity, and Google has a lot of explaining to do. The paragraph from a Google VP [emphasis mine]: We were mortified to learn that a team of people working on a Google project improperly used Mocality’s data and misrepresented our relationship with Mocality to encourage customers to create new websites. We’ve already unreservedly apologised to Mocality. We’re still investigating exactly how this happened, and as soon as we have all the facts, we’ll be taking the appropriate action with the people involved. Looks like the conclusion Cory found hard to escape was exactly the right conclusion.
  - nl 15y ago
    Is Cory Doctorow's reputation such that he should be so quickly dismissed? With all due respect to Doctorow, many on HN know quite a lot more about how the internet works than he does. I know at least two ways to make arbitrary requests from a Google IP that haven't been mentioned on the comments to this story, and I don't claim any mad hackerz skillz. I think the evidence pointed towards Google being responsible, and that's what I said. But I, and many others said to wait before drawing a final conclusion. I think that that's a reasonable approach.
    - 15y ago

AznHisoka 15y ago

Why would Google employees do this? Such risky venture and for what? An extra bonus? Moving up the career ladder? Unless they were doing a startup privately, it makes no sense... why go through such desperate measures? It makes one wonder if people in the search term can manually mess around with the results to promote their own interests.

JS_startup 15y ago
To get the drop on an emerging market. Obviously the 200 rupee hosting costs are negligible, but becoming the de facto tech provider in an emerging market like Kenya is worth millions.