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Ok then what? I keep saying what I said to my dad 10 years+ back - once we automate ALL jobs out of existence be that 10 years or 100 years from now, how does

by evo_9 4y ago

Ok then what? I keep saying what I said to my dad 10 years+ back - once we automate ALL jobs out of existence be that 10 years or 100 years from now, how does society / monetary systems change? What comes next? UBI at best is a stopgap.

qorrect 4y ago
Yes, it's time to really start thinking about that. I'm excited for the future, afraid for us , without a plan. Also I think most people will hand wave this away "It'll never happen to me". Very fun question to think about, if there are no more "jobs", what does society look like.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  > Also I think most people will hand wave this away "It'll never happen to me". Most people don't have a means to avoid it or change things in a way to make this future better.
wcoenen 4y ago
> how does society / monetary systems change? What comes next? UBI at best is a stopgap. Money is an abstraction used to manage scarce resources. The fact that resources are scarce is never going to change, because we live in a world with finite space, mass and usable energy. UBI does not seem incompatible with that. It's just a system (on top of the abstraction of money) to allocate scarce resources. Why do you think it is "at best a stopgap"?
- evo_9 4y ago
  I disagree on your point that resources will remain scarce. That's true of earth, but long-term, which is really what I'm getting at, that's not the case. We aren't even that far off from mining nearby asteroids; give humanity 100 years, and who knows what we'll be up to. UBI is a stopgap in that it just extends the current system by giving away money; eventually we'll need to move past 'money' somehow.
  - hgsgm 4y ago
    Asteroids don't provide clean air and water.
r00fus 4y ago
I'm just saying that it seems as though (especially given the messaging that Wall Street has given to the public as it pertains to their position on the debt ceiling crisis) that Wall Street is probably happy to say "let them eat cake" for those who can't participate in the new economy.

by evo_9 4y ago

qorrect 4y ago

Yes, it's time to really start thinking about that. I'm excited for the future, afraid for us , without a plan. Also I think most people will hand wave this away "It'll never happen to me". Very fun question to think about, if there are no more "jobs", what does society look like.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
> Also I think most people will hand wave this away "It'll never happen to me". Most people don't have a means to avoid it or change things in a way to make this future better.

wcoenen 4y ago

> how does society / monetary systems change? What comes next? UBI at best is a stopgap. Money is an abstraction used to manage scarce resources. The fact that resources are scarce is never going to change, because we live in a world with finite space, mass and usable energy. UBI does not seem incompatible with that. It's just a system (on top of the abstraction of money) to allocate scarce resources. Why do you think it is "at best a stopgap"?

evo_9 4y ago
I disagree on your point that resources will remain scarce. That's true of earth, but long-term, which is really what I'm getting at, that's not the case. We aren't even that far off from mining nearby asteroids; give humanity 100 years, and who knows what we'll be up to. UBI is a stopgap in that it just extends the current system by giving away money; eventually we'll need to move past 'money' somehow.
- hgsgm 4y ago
  Asteroids don't provide clean air and water.

r00fus 4y ago

I'm just saying that it seems as though (especially given the messaging that Wall Street has given to the public as it pertains to their position on the debt ceiling crisis) that Wall Street is probably happy to say "let them eat cake" for those who can't participate in the new economy.