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> As an academic exercise I guess it's interesting, but living this way must be truly exhausting. Especially because it's not sufficient against a motivated ad
by genocidicbunny 4y ago
> As an academic exercise I guess it's interesting, but living this way must be truly exhausting.
Especially because it's not sufficient against a motivated adversary. Disney wants the data, but they're not going to expend extra effort to catch the few people that slip through, it's not worth it to them. For example, Disney could be using gait recognition in addition to all the other stuff they do, and that could significantly help to tie together activities; But this is not economical to implement right now,
- zucked 4y agoI could imagine that certain people would have a risk profile that might necessitate this kind of behavior -- but that kind of person wouldn't turn around and blog about it 1.) calling attention to it 2.) giving Disney more pieces to the puzzle if they were motivated enough to solve it. You're right - the average person doesn't need to have that kind of stance. Even if they were a real target, much higher value targets slip through the cracks all the time. We're not nearly as good at data processing as we think (yet).
- graphe 4y agoWhy is it exactly economical for China, but not Disney? They already have the video. They can do it at any time. They have night vision and lots of other tech so I doubt expenses will stop them.
- orangecat 4y agoThe Chinese government is particularly interested in identifying people who are trying to avoid being identified; Disney isn't.
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- noirbot 4y agoYea, the government is worried about you staging a riot or attack. Disney doesn't really have that risk profile.
- genocidicbunny 4y agoChina isn't interested in it being economical. They have different goals with their systems. Notice I also said that its not economical _right now_. In the future it may very well become that. I'm not aware of the actual state of b2b offerings for this kind of tech, but I'd imagine that when someone starts offering a reasonably priced turnkey solution for this sort of thing, Disney will start using it; Along with everyone else.
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- zdragnar 4y agoI don't think Disney is really an adversary in this scenario (where an adversary is not purely economically transactional); the recognition is primarily geared towards (a) analyzing general patterns to optimize (b) selling you more things you would be interested in buying. Their motivation is entirely economical. These detection tools aren't perfect, and there is a diminishing return on getting that last few percent of people who slip through the cracks. At some point, it isn't worth the effort. China, on the other hand, is motivated by more than mere economics. It is also interested in analyzing general patterns- they are a partial-command society given the extensive centralized planning that goes into the economy and social behaviors. However, the people who attempt to go unseen are precisely the most important people to observe- the bad actors, the malcontents, those most likely to cause trouble (乱) to an otherwise harmonized society.
- JohnFen 4y ago> Their motivation is entirely economical. That doesn't mean it's not adversarial.
- GauntletWizard 4y agoViewing everyone trying to sell you things, particularly the ones who you are actively seeing out to buy entertainment from, as adversaries is a pretty self-defeating approach.
- autoexec 4y agoCompanies Wanting to sell people things isn't the problem. Using the most mundane details of our life to manipulate us, and to extract as much money from us as possible is a problem. So is failing to secure that data. https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/disney-responds-to-alleged-hack-we-have-found-no-evidence-of-a-security-breach https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/disney-responds-to-all... https://finance.yahoo.com/video/disney-responds-data-breach-thousands-202322416.html?guccounter=1 https://finance.yahoo.com/video/disney-responds-data-breach-... https://chipandco.com/the-walt-disney-world-dolphin-hotel-was-involved-in-a-data-breach-223459/ https://chipandco.com/the-walt-disney-world-dolphin-hotel-wa...
- pixl97 4y agoTo rephrase this another way What is the potential economical cost of a dissenter? For Disney it's not likely much. For a government it could be loss of control.
- babypuncher 4y agoDisney is profit-motivated. Doubling the cost and complexity of your surveillance system to capture 5% more data at best is probably not worth it.
- p1necone 4y agoDisney is just trying to manage their theme park more effectively, and sell you some stuffed animals and t-shirts. 99.99% of people are not going to any lengths to avoid the unsophisticated stuff they're already doing, so they gain nothing from spending any more effort on it. I imagine OP understands this though - they're opting out on principle, not out of practical reasons.
- caddemon 4y agoThe majority of people I've seen at the parks have intentionally opted in to tracking measures for over a decade now. People literally pay extra to give Disney more information, because it makes the trip a lot smoother. It's part of the fun of Disney honestly, living in their bubble for a few days. Anyway, just seconding your point - not only do most park guests make no effort to avoid tracking, but many want to be tracked, because it helps Disney do a better job. Sure this might mean they spend a bit more, but if it also means the already expensive trip is a better experience it's worth it for a lot of folks.
- ye-olde-sysrq 4y ago> gait recognition Luckily the British have been preparing for this via decades of funding for the Ministry of Silly Walks
- mixmastamyk 4y agoJust wait, this is not the final stop at the train, by any means. Certainly D could afford it, price is not a problem.
- beenBoutIT 4y agoAs an academic exercise it's interesting as a solo project or as an adventure with a fellow researcher. With the kids it's effectively spoiling their vacation while teaching them things they shouldn't have to know or understand for at least a few more years.