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That's not really self experience though. The same way, I can read about historical events but I probably haven't experienced these events. So the AI might no

by aatd86 4y ago

That's not really self experience though. The same way, I can read about historical events but I probably haven't experienced these events. So the AI might not be able to realize/derive new causations, mostly able to find out correlations at best. That's what may make it "hallucinate".

ASalazarMX 4y ago
Yet. GPT-3 and their ilk, for all their novelty, are just the infancy of a new wave of AI tools. Right now ChatGPT is technically learning from experience, although that learning is delayed, as it comes from the OpenAI team retraining it with all its new conversations. They could let it learn freely, but we've seen where that ends. Maybe once their model is perfected we will see it learning in real time.
nicoburns 4y ago
AIs can't experience everything, but that doesn't mean they can't experience anything. You can have the experience of reading a book, no? And that might well teach you something about the world. Of note to me is that there is no theoretical reason why an AI couldn't have experiences of the real world. It's just that currently nobody has built interfaces that allow them to have that connection yet (for best learning you'd want sensors that allow it to sense the world and actuators that allow it to influnce the world - although you quickly get into considerations about whether it's a good idea to give AI's this power) > mostly able to find out correlations at best It may well be that human learning is just sophisticated iterated correlation finding.
- aatd86 4y ago
  Yes, the issue is that they don't actually pick up the book. Their experience of the real world is too limited to have valid inferences. The same way a human being born without any sense but hearing wouldn't be able to interact fully with the physical world and infer things about it. Basically, what I mean is that for now, unsupervised data acquisition is limited for AI. So it lacks "common sense" if you will. I don't think we really disagree anyway, that's probably just semantics.
alfor 4y ago
I can watch a war movie and get into the mindset of being shot at even if I have zero experience of it. I guess those emotions are connected in some way to the experiences I had myself. But most of them are inferred from the expressions and words in the movie. You could create signal of those emotions in the NN, it could predict them accurately. You could create a memory/association of emotions with subjects, some persistence in time. Then add a simulation/dream of the world (like our consciousness) At some point I don’t see much missing.
- aatd86 4y ago
  Show me an interaction between two dolphins and I'll be very unlikely to simulate what they feel/experience. For an AI, that would probably be the same except we are the dolphins in that case. Besides, as you hint, you still have to have had an experience of feeling pain before and have a mechanism to avoid it. Which means, having self-preservation encoded within your brain processi. And if you don't get PTSD from the movie, you won't know what PTSD feels like (let's imagine this is the only way one experiences stress). There is a need for more correlation processing between sources of data that would be similar to what a living-being may capture. We're not there yet.

by aatd86 4y ago

ASalazarMX 4y ago

Yet. GPT-3 and their ilk, for all their novelty, are just the infancy of a new wave of AI tools. Right now ChatGPT is technically learning from experience, although that learning is delayed, as it comes from the OpenAI team retraining it with all its new conversations. They could let it learn freely, but we've seen where that ends. Maybe once their model is perfected we will see it learning in real time.

nicoburns 4y ago

AIs can't experience everything, but that doesn't mean they can't experience anything. You can have the experience of reading a book, no? And that might well teach you something about the world. Of note to me is that there is no theoretical reason why an AI couldn't have experiences of the real world. It's just that currently nobody has built interfaces that allow them to have that connection yet (for best learning you'd want sensors that allow it to sense the world and actuators that allow it to influnce the world - although you quickly get into considerations about whether it's a good idea to give AI's this power) > mostly able to find out correlations at best It may well be that human learning is just sophisticated iterated correlation finding.

aatd86 4y ago
Yes, the issue is that they don't actually pick up the book. Their experience of the real world is too limited to have valid inferences. The same way a human being born without any sense but hearing wouldn't be able to interact fully with the physical world and infer things about it. Basically, what I mean is that for now, unsupervised data acquisition is limited for AI. So it lacks "common sense" if you will. I don't think we really disagree anyway, that's probably just semantics.

alfor 4y ago

I can watch a war movie and get into the mindset of being shot at even if I have zero experience of it. I guess those emotions are connected in some way to the experiences I had myself. But most of them are inferred from the expressions and words in the movie. You could create signal of those emotions in the NN, it could predict them accurately. You could create a memory/association of emotions with subjects, some persistence in time. Then add a simulation/dream of the world (like our consciousness) At some point I don’t see much missing.

aatd86 4y ago
Show me an interaction between two dolphins and I'll be very unlikely to simulate what they feel/experience. For an AI, that would probably be the same except we are the dolphins in that case. Besides, as you hint, you still have to have had an experience of feeling pain before and have a mechanism to avoid it. Which means, having self-preservation encoded within your brain processi. And if you don't get PTSD from the movie, you won't know what PTSD feels like (let's imagine this is the only way one experiences stress). There is a need for more correlation processing between sources of data that would be similar to what a living-being may capture. We're not there yet.