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I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not. Catholics make up 23% of the US population. How can wearing rosary beads be non-conformist when Catholics are th

I honestly can't tell if this is satire or not. Catholics make up 23% of the US population. How can wearing rosary beads be non-conformist when Catholics are the single largest denomination in America? An astonishing SIX Supreme Court justices are Catholic. Was there ever a time a countercultural group had that kind of representation in government? Were there ever six justices who were hippies, or beatniks, or hobos? If you sincerely believe that > Trads are definitely the counter culture now. may I invite you to name another counter culture that comprised a majority of the US Supreme Court? The problem is that people conflate feeling aggrieved with being marginalized. The reality is that "trads" have plenty of representation and power, up to the governor or multiple states (like Desantis) and a former president. Self-identified trads may feel like they're exploited, or something. But the reality is they are a huge part of the population with ample political power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_... https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/391649/religion-supreme-court-justices.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/391649/relig...

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Dig1t 4y ago
Yes you are right that there are a lot of catholic people, we are talking about _culture_. How many TV shows, movies, or songs have come out in the last 10 years that featured Catholics in any way or catholic imagery, or even just general traditional values? Like maybe 1? How many TV shows, movies, and songs have come out featuring gay people or gay culture? A huge number. Compare this state to the 60's when the hippies were the counterculture, how many mainstream movies and shows came out featuring them? Were they the cultural mainstream? The answer is obviously no. Movies of that day were being made by the then-mainstream trads. We were never talking about representation in government. If you want to have an honest conversation about religious representation in government you will very quickly be labeled an anti-semite.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  You do realize there’s an entire TV network based out of Birmingham Alabama for all that stuff
  - ticviking 4y ago
    Can you think of a major network show where the focus was on Christian themes in a way like queer eye is about LGBT+ themes? The last one I can think of was "Touched By an Angel" and that is over 20 years old now. (edited to add an omitted word)
    - teachrdan 4y ago
      Even this is wrong. The Hallmark channel makes 40 Christmas movies a year, all of them with Christian families, obviously. (Some allow for a character who is Jewish.) These movies attract millions of viewers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonifitzgerald/2021/12/24/the-economics-of-the-hugely-popular-hallmark-christmas-movies/?sh=64173da63f34 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonifitzgerald/2021/12/24/the-e... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanberr/2019/01/11/widely-mocked-hallmarks-christmas-movies-are-hugely-popular/?sh=793840bd5ca8 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanberr/2019/01/11/widely-...
      - selimthegrim 4y ago
        Wait until they find out who wrote most of those Christmas tin pan alley songs
        ticviking 4y ago
        It’s not a surprise to anyone who has studied show business at all. The Boscht belt and its associated Jewish entertainment circuit was a critical incubator of talent for our nations popular music. No one is hiding any of this, and it’s trivial to read a memoir from many musicians and see a story about how they wanted to feel more included in the increasingly secularized holidays so they wrote music that was about the stuff that included in them.
dnissley 4y ago
There's a difference between people "doing what they've always done" or coasting on cultural inertia e.g. people who are Catholic and that means they go to a Catholic church but otherwise has a very small effect on their life and people intentionally choosing to join a subculture, e.g. convert to Catholicism or rededicate themselves to a religion after being one of the folks "doing what they've always done". The norm these days is for people to fall away from their religion, not to join one. I think this is obvious for anyone to see, but Pew has done lots of surveys on the decline of Christianity in America: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/modeling-the-future-of-religion-in-america/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/modeling-the...

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Dig1t 4y ago

Yes you are right that there are a lot of catholic people, we are talking about _culture_. How many TV shows, movies, or songs have come out in the last 10 years that featured Catholics in any way or catholic imagery, or even just general traditional values? Like maybe 1? How many TV shows, movies, and songs have come out featuring gay people or gay culture? A huge number. Compare this state to the 60's when the hippies were the counterculture, how many mainstream movies and shows came out featuring them? Were they the cultural mainstream? The answer is obviously no. Movies of that day were being made by the then-mainstream trads. We were never talking about representation in government. If you want to have an honest conversation about religious representation in government you will very quickly be labeled an anti-semite.

selimthegrim 4y ago
You do realize there’s an entire TV network based out of Birmingham Alabama for all that stuff
- ticviking 4y ago
  Can you think of a major network show where the focus was on Christian themes in a way like queer eye is about LGBT+ themes? The last one I can think of was "Touched By an Angel" and that is over 20 years old now. (edited to add an omitted word)
  - teachrdan 4y ago
    Even this is wrong. The Hallmark channel makes 40 Christmas movies a year, all of them with Christian families, obviously. (Some allow for a character who is Jewish.) These movies attract millions of viewers. https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonifitzgerald/2021/12/24/the-economics-of-the-hugely-popular-hallmark-christmas-movies/?sh=64173da63f34 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonifitzgerald/2021/12/24/the-e... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanberr/2019/01/11/widely-mocked-hallmarks-christmas-movies-are-hugely-popular/?sh=793840bd5ca8 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanberr/2019/01/11/widely-...
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Wait until they find out who wrote most of those Christmas tin pan alley songs
      - ticviking 4y ago
        It’s not a surprise to anyone who has studied show business at all. The Boscht belt and its associated Jewish entertainment circuit was a critical incubator of talent for our nations popular music. No one is hiding any of this, and it’s trivial to read a memoir from many musicians and see a story about how they wanted to feel more included in the increasingly secularized holidays so they wrote music that was about the stuff that included in them.

dnissley 4y ago

There's a difference between people "doing what they've always done" or coasting on cultural inertia e.g. people who are Catholic and that means they go to a Catholic church but otherwise has a very small effect on their life and people intentionally choosing to join a subculture, e.g. convert to Catholicism or rededicate themselves to a religion after being one of the folks "doing what they've always done". The norm these days is for people to fall away from their religion, not to join one. I think this is obvious for anyone to see, but Pew has done lots of surveys on the decline of Christianity in America: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/modeling-the-future-of-religion-in-america/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/09/13/modeling-the...