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Context: Am LGBTQ person who also has traditional religious views. Big disagree. You carry a pride flag in the wrong parts of town where I am, you'll get beat

Context: Am LGBTQ person who also has traditional religious views. Big disagree. You carry a pride flag in the wrong parts of town where I am, you'll get beat up. Walk around preaching hellfire and damnation and at most you'll get a lot of annoyed looks and at best you'll get people cheering you on. > In schools these days it's trendy to be anything but straight. In high schools in my town people get beat up for coming out. A friend who went to college out of state was mocked because people thought he was gay, despite him being straight. Also, you appear to have a misconception of what the LGBTQ acronym includes. LGBA - these are related to attraction. TI - These are for Trans/Intersex individuals and have nothing to do with attraction. Q - Questioning/Queer. Can be used by those who don't feel as though they are properly described by the above descriptions, or who are opposed to them for some reason. There are other letters, but for the most part they are subsets/synonyms of the above labels, at least as far as the use case here is concerned.

Dig1t 4y ago
Yeah it seems you can have wildly different experiences depending on where you live in the US. Probably why we are so politically divided, at this point we're living in different societies. Anywhere in California you would not experience any of that. In fact it really is as OP describes. Look at polls of kids in elementary schools where 50%+ of young kids are identifying as non-binary because it is trendy.
- weakfish 4y ago
  I simply don’t believe those polls exist. Source?
- skyyler 4y ago
  >Anywhere in California you would not experience any of that Hello, I have a close friend that was jumped by a small group of people for holding hands with his boyfriend. He was hospitalized. This was in Oakland in 2015. But even then, there's a lot more to California than the Bay Area and LA. I don't feel very safe being trans and living in Lake County, but I can't afford the Bay Area anymore. So I just don't go outside anymore.
- undersuit 4y ago
  >Anywhere in California you would not experience any of that. https://www.fox19.com/2022/04/19/gay-couple-says-man-screamed-them-their-children-train-trip/ https://www.fox19.com/2022/04/19/gay-couple-says-man-screame... https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/peoples-park-uc-berkeley-police-investigate-aggravated-assault-shovel-transgender-victim-hate-crime/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/peoples-park-uc-be... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/13/proud-boy-drag-queen/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/13/proud-boy-d...
savryn 4y ago
the people beating up anyone are the cultural underclass/proles, be it rural whites or ghetto blacks -- by definition these are not cultural elites. Physical violence (and any indicator of physical needs- shelter, food, safety) basically signals 'cheap animal unit', and animals are useful tools to be managed by the machinery (of capital, patriarchy, globalism, blah blah etc whatever left or right wing flavor of 'power structure' you mentally choose to sketch it out, it's there churning, by whatever name you like) you seem to confuse elite signaling and countersignaling with personal sufferings when in reality, both are exactly how it's supposed to go The cultural machinery works thru contradiction and desperate elite mimicry, people trying to aspirationally sound like the class right above them, leading to tragedy of the commons, for example: Rich women support bail reform/ islamic immigration/ transgender craze/ porn-culture that gets poorer women raped/ scared/ fired / cheapened, and that's the new feminism Pragmatic feminists/terfs/lesbians/mom groups/anti-vaccers are the new witches to be burned as the purity test for desperate psuedo-middle-class aspirational women, supplying the cultural fodder content mill, while Republican women/Christian evangelicals make popcorn... Abortion rights are a cheap voting lever, the more passionate you are the more the machine knows how to use you, people are putting their carrots and sticks in their bios, announcing the best ways to control them with a smile lol Women in Iran and Afghanistan not allowed to go to school, that is defacto no longer a feminist issue but something something 'why not both' meme-mumbles by nonbinary mental illness connoisseurs. Gays getting beat up by rural whites so they move to metropolis and work for the rainbow utopia of corporate America is exactly how the machine eats :)
- Shared404 4y ago
  Wow uhh... that sure is a post. Let's try to disentagle this gish gallop shall we :) ? > the people beating up anyone are the underclass/proles, be it rural whites or ghetto blacks -- by definition these are not cultural elites. But they do make up the culture of the parts of society people actually live in. > Physical violence (and physical needs, shelter, food, safety) basically signals 'cheap animal unit', and animals are useful tools to be managed by the machinery (of capital, patriarchy, globalism, blah blah etc whatever left or right wing flavor of 'power structure' you mentally choose to sketch it out, it's there churning, by whatever name you like) "People who have needs are manipulated by people who have money". Shocking. > Rich women support bail reform/ islamic immigration/ transgender craze/ porn-culture that gets poorer women raped/ scared/ fired / cheapened, and that's the new feminism > (Pragmatic feminists/terfs/lesbians/mom groups/anti-vaccers are the new witches to be burned as the purity test for desperate psuedo-middle-class aspirational women, supplying the cultural fodder content mill, while Republican women/Christian evangelicals make popcorn...) You uh... might want to back of the OAN/Fox > Abortion rights are a cheap voting lever, the more passionate you are the more the machine knows how to use you, people are putting their carrots and sticks in their bios, announcing the best ways to control them with a smile lol No machine cares enough about an individual to look through their bio. > Women in Iran and Afghanistan not allowed to go to school, that is defacto no longer a feminist issue but something something 'why not both' meme-mumbles by nonbinary mental illness connoisseurs. "People put the most focus on issues directly impacting themselves". What a shocking discovery you've made. In my church, there's a frequent saying "you can't help others until you've helped yourself". You have to have yourself on a stable base before you can lift others. In addition, there's a conversation to be had about interventionism in there, it's bit off topic but clearly didn't go so well last time. > Gays getting beat up by rural whites so they move to metropolis and work for the rainbow utopia of corporate America is exactly how the machine eats :) I'll admit this part confuses me. You go drop all the right wing talking points up above, and then go "All the right wing people are being manipulated to make educated lgbt people go to cities and work"... and instead of the solution being to help educate more people, it's to make things worse for LGBT people everywhere?

Dig1t 4y ago

Yeah it seems you can have wildly different experiences depending on where you live in the US. Probably why we are so politically divided, at this point we're living in different societies. Anywhere in California you would not experience any of that. In fact it really is as OP describes. Look at polls of kids in elementary schools where 50%+ of young kids are identifying as non-binary because it is trendy.

weakfish 4y ago
I simply don’t believe those polls exist. Source?
skyyler 4y ago
>Anywhere in California you would not experience any of that Hello, I have a close friend that was jumped by a small group of people for holding hands with his boyfriend. He was hospitalized. This was in Oakland in 2015. But even then, there's a lot more to California than the Bay Area and LA. I don't feel very safe being trans and living in Lake County, but I can't afford the Bay Area anymore. So I just don't go outside anymore.
undersuit 4y ago
>Anywhere in California you would not experience any of that. https://www.fox19.com/2022/04/19/gay-couple-says-man-screamed-them-their-children-train-trip/ https://www.fox19.com/2022/04/19/gay-couple-says-man-screame... https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/peoples-park-uc-berkeley-police-investigate-aggravated-assault-shovel-transgender-victim-hate-crime/ https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/peoples-park-uc-be... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/13/proud-boy-drag-queen/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/13/proud-boy-d...

savryn 4y ago

the people beating up anyone are the cultural underclass/proles, be it rural whites or ghetto blacks -- by definition these are not cultural elites. Physical violence (and any indicator of physical needs- shelter, food, safety) basically signals 'cheap animal unit', and animals are useful tools to be managed by the machinery (of capital, patriarchy, globalism, blah blah etc whatever left or right wing flavor of 'power structure' you mentally choose to sketch it out, it's there churning, by whatever name you like) you seem to confuse elite signaling and countersignaling with personal sufferings when in reality, both are exactly how it's supposed to go The cultural machinery works thru contradiction and desperate elite mimicry, people trying to aspirationally sound like the class right above them, leading to tragedy of the commons, for example: Rich women support bail reform/ islamic immigration/ transgender craze/ porn-culture that gets poorer women raped/ scared/ fired / cheapened, and that's the new feminism Pragmatic feminists/terfs/lesbians/mom groups/anti-vaccers are the new witches to be burned as the purity test for desperate psuedo-middle-class aspirational women, supplying the cultural fodder content mill, while Republican women/Christian evangelicals make popcorn... Abortion rights are a cheap voting lever, the more passionate you are the more the machine knows how to use you, people are putting their carrots and sticks in their bios, announcing the best ways to control them with a smile lol Women in Iran and Afghanistan not allowed to go to school, that is defacto no longer a feminist issue but something something 'why not both' meme-mumbles by nonbinary mental illness connoisseurs. Gays getting beat up by rural whites so they move to metropolis and work for the rainbow utopia of corporate America is exactly how the machine eats :)

Shared404 4y ago
Wow uhh... that sure is a post. Let's try to disentagle this gish gallop shall we :) ? > the people beating up anyone are the underclass/proles, be it rural whites or ghetto blacks -- by definition these are not cultural elites. But they do make up the culture of the parts of society people actually live in. > Physical violence (and physical needs, shelter, food, safety) basically signals 'cheap animal unit', and animals are useful tools to be managed by the machinery (of capital, patriarchy, globalism, blah blah etc whatever left or right wing flavor of 'power structure' you mentally choose to sketch it out, it's there churning, by whatever name you like) "People who have needs are manipulated by people who have money". Shocking. > Rich women support bail reform/ islamic immigration/ transgender craze/ porn-culture that gets poorer women raped/ scared/ fired / cheapened, and that's the new feminism > (Pragmatic feminists/terfs/lesbians/mom groups/anti-vaccers are the new witches to be burned as the purity test for desperate psuedo-middle-class aspirational women, supplying the cultural fodder content mill, while Republican women/Christian evangelicals make popcorn...) You uh... might want to back of the OAN/Fox > Abortion rights are a cheap voting lever, the more passionate you are the more the machine knows how to use you, people are putting their carrots and sticks in their bios, announcing the best ways to control them with a smile lol No machine cares enough about an individual to look through their bio. > Women in Iran and Afghanistan not allowed to go to school, that is defacto no longer a feminist issue but something something 'why not both' meme-mumbles by nonbinary mental illness connoisseurs. "People put the most focus on issues directly impacting themselves". What a shocking discovery you've made. In my church, there's a frequent saying "you can't help others until you've helped yourself". You have to have yourself on a stable base before you can lift others. In addition, there's a conversation to be had about interventionism in there, it's bit off topic but clearly didn't go so well last time. > Gays getting beat up by rural whites so they move to metropolis and work for the rainbow utopia of corporate America is exactly how the machine eats :) I'll admit this part confuses me. You go drop all the right wing talking points up above, and then go "All the right wing people are being manipulated to make educated lgbt people go to cities and work"... and instead of the solution being to help educate more people, it's to make things worse for LGBT people everywhere?