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People can remember Starry Night, but if you asked people to reproduce it from memory the reproductions would be all over the place. People are generally not c

by sct202 4y ago

People can remember Starry Night, but if you asked people to reproduce it from memory the reproductions would be all over the place. People are generally not capable of creating realistic copies of anything straight from memory. Realistic paintings from the the Renaissance could only be done on still life, but photo realistic paintings were only possible after color photography was widespread and artists could use full scale photographs to base their paintings off of.

sangnoir 4y ago
> People are generally not capable of creating realistic copies of anything straight from memory The average person can't even draw a bicycle from memory[0]. Gp is overestimating human capacity for reproduction. However, whatever humans are capable of or not is a red herring. If humans memorize and reproduce a copyrighted work - it counts as a performance or copy. Someone typing Dan Browns novel on their blog from photographic memory does not get a pass, and noether should the AI models. 0. If you have 10 seconds, sketch a bicycle before opening the link https://twistedsifter.com/2016/04/artist-asks-people-to-draw-bicycle-from-memory-and-renders-results/ https://twistedsifter.com/2016/04/artist-asks-people-to-draw...
- welshwelsh 4y ago
  That's because most people can't draw. A better example would be: could the average person accurately imagine a bicycle? Can their brain generate the correct image, even if they lack the skills to draw it?
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    The link I provided shows that people can't visualize a bicycle accurately; people were asked to doodle what they imagined a bicycle is laid out, and most of the drawings were structurally unsound, to say the least
    - Glyptodon 4y ago
      IMO if you asked someone to think of a picture of a bicycle and had a way to turn their mental image into a jpg, you'd get 1000x better output than asking people to try and doodle one because drawing is much more difficult than visualizing, and most people know they have trouble drawing so kind of goof their doodles as almost an unconscious self-deprecation to express their self-consciousness about it.
jayd16 4y ago
I don't know. I have a few friends who thought they were spinning gold only to realize they reverse engineered the tabs for Pinball Wizard or Sweet Home Alabama. Certainly their work was infringing even if a little different. That said, I don't think it's an excuse for these AI tools
Glyptodon 4y ago
People often have highly realistic, mental images, and just lack the ability to get them onto paper, screen, or other medium. Because humans need to develop the ability to move stuff from their head to an image as skill that takes a lot of effort and time to learn. But if you could load an image from someone's brain to a screen, I think many images people think up could easily be quite good.

by sct202 4y ago

sangnoir 4y ago

> People are generally not capable of creating realistic copies of anything straight from memory The average person can't even draw a bicycle from memory[0]. Gp is overestimating human capacity for reproduction. However, whatever humans are capable of or not is a red herring. If humans memorize and reproduce a copyrighted work - it counts as a performance or copy. Someone typing Dan Browns novel on their blog from photographic memory does not get a pass, and noether should the AI models. 0. If you have 10 seconds, sketch a bicycle before opening the link https://twistedsifter.com/2016/04/artist-asks-people-to-draw-bicycle-from-memory-and-renders-results/ https://twistedsifter.com/2016/04/artist-asks-people-to-draw...

welshwelsh 4y ago
That's because most people can't draw. A better example would be: could the average person accurately imagine a bicycle? Can their brain generate the correct image, even if they lack the skills to draw it?
- sangnoir 4y ago
  The link I provided shows that people can't visualize a bicycle accurately; people were asked to doodle what they imagined a bicycle is laid out, and most of the drawings were structurally unsound, to say the least
  - Glyptodon 4y ago
    IMO if you asked someone to think of a picture of a bicycle and had a way to turn their mental image into a jpg, you'd get 1000x better output than asking people to try and doodle one because drawing is much more difficult than visualizing, and most people know they have trouble drawing so kind of goof their doodles as almost an unconscious self-deprecation to express their self-consciousness about it.

jayd16 4y ago

I don't know. I have a few friends who thought they were spinning gold only to realize they reverse engineered the tabs for Pinball Wizard or Sweet Home Alabama. Certainly their work was infringing even if a little different. That said, I don't think it's an excuse for these AI tools

Glyptodon 4y ago

People often have highly realistic, mental images, and just lack the ability to get them onto paper, screen, or other medium. Because humans need to develop the ability to move stuff from their head to an image as skill that takes a lot of effort and time to learn. But if you could load an image from someone's brain to a screen, I think many images people think up could easily be quite good.