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I don’t think it’s limited to religious people or republicans. I see it on both sides. I do agree that it’s partially due to programming. If you look at movies

I don’t think it’s limited to religious people or republicans. I see it on both sides. I do agree that it’s partially due to programming. If you look at movies for example you’ll see this black and white thinking. There’s a good guy and a bad guy and it’s all very simple.

acdha 4y ago
It’s not exclusive to those groups but it’s quite noticeably stronger there. I think that’s because those groups push positions which are unpopular with a majority of the population, so you have to link that to things they do want or think they must do and push it as a package deal. “We’re under attack constantly by deceptive forces” is an effective way to prevent the culture of questioning any part of the package — e.g. someone who notices that Jesus didn’t actually say they have to shun their gay kid is is almost certainly going to wonder what other doctrine is like that.
- serverholic 4y ago
  I think it's just as strong on both sides, the difference is intention and outcomes. The right uses this to reinforce their own power. The left uses it to try and correct injustices but ends up creating problems because of it. Take a look at feminism for example. It started as "hey women should have equal rights", which is good. But now we see far too many people treating men as a monolith and demonizing them. So now we have a narrative that women = good, and men = bad. I see this all the time on social media from the left and it has to stop. Male suicide rates are far too high right now, and I partly blame this narrative and the lack of nuance that caused it.
  - acdha 4y ago
    That just tells me that you follow a lot of right-wing sources. That's not a popular feminist position but it's exactly how the right-wing characterizes it to avoid honest engagement with, for example, the feminists who've written thoughtfully and compassionately about how traditional gender roles negatively impact men. The suicide rates you mention, for example, are commonly attributed to the intersection of economic declines for traditional working-class jobs and the traditional belief that men are supposed to be the family breadwinner, which implicitly tells men that if they're not married with a reasonably high income they're failures.
    - serverholic 4y ago
      No that's a common far-left cop-out. I don't follow many right wing sources, I closely observe how people talk and act, offline and online, and think for myself. In-fact I follow mostly left-wing media and I consider myself a true leftist because I think everyone should be treated equally, and power dynamics aren't as simple as man = has all power, women = has no power. But that's exactly the narrative that the left is pushing. I guarantee that if you were to post online even the simplest thing like "women have some power over men" you'll get dogpiled by people calling you a rapist because they can't handle nuance. I also call bullshit on your explanation for male suicide. Male loneliness plays a major role, and it's partly due to the fact that we collectively put women on a pedestal in our society. Which again goes back to lack of nuance. Something like 30% of men haven't had sex in the past year, and women generally find 80% of men unattractive on dating sites. There is real data backing up my position.
      - acdha 4y ago
        I get that you believe you're thinking independently here but you're doing a paint-by-numbers repetition of anti-feminist tropes here. I would strongly recommend reconsidering how objective your baseline is and, especially, checking primary sources and thinking critically about the interpretative narratives around them.
        serverholic 4y ago
        Likewise, I hope some day you’ll be able to handle nuance instead of regurgitating what the blue team tells you.
      - mrguyorama 4y ago
        >Something like 30% of men haven't had sex in the past year >women generally find 80% of men unattractive on dating sites. For the first time in history, women actually have the societal, as well as legal right to not find a man. They are finally able to be choosy and say no when they don't want to do anything. They are no longer coerced by laws or societal norms to settle for a man, and can freely chose to only find a partner if that partner is attractive to them, physically or emotionally or whatever their preference is. Of course, men who were brought up to think that women owe them anything hate this, because it means they have to be more than just a living paycheck to get a partner. It means millions of men who in older times would have found a wife who settled for them now have to compete with other men who may understand and treat women as individuals instead of sex objects to be claimed. There is plenty of room to talk about how culture around men prioritizes sex and finding a partner, and discourages men from being themselves. There is plenty of room to talk about how plenty of women hate the current situation where logging into a dating app means 100 new messages, 5 unsolicited dick picks, and being called a slut when they rebuff someone's advances, as if that makes any sense. None of this is putting women on a pedestal. A significant portion of the right wing here in the states is actively campaigning on the idea of abolishing all non-standard cultures, and demonizing independent women and single mothers especially as solely responsible for society's ills. If you are hurt by a traditionally oppressed population finally getting the ability to direct their own life, you should consider what that says about your former position in the world.

acdha 4y ago

It’s not exclusive to those groups but it’s quite noticeably stronger there. I think that’s because those groups push positions which are unpopular with a majority of the population, so you have to link that to things they do want or think they must do and push it as a package deal. “We’re under attack constantly by deceptive forces” is an effective way to prevent the culture of questioning any part of the package — e.g. someone who notices that Jesus didn’t actually say they have to shun their gay kid is is almost certainly going to wonder what other doctrine is like that.

serverholic 4y ago
I think it's just as strong on both sides, the difference is intention and outcomes. The right uses this to reinforce their own power. The left uses it to try and correct injustices but ends up creating problems because of it. Take a look at feminism for example. It started as "hey women should have equal rights", which is good. But now we see far too many people treating men as a monolith and demonizing them. So now we have a narrative that women = good, and men = bad. I see this all the time on social media from the left and it has to stop. Male suicide rates are far too high right now, and I partly blame this narrative and the lack of nuance that caused it.
- acdha 4y ago
  That just tells me that you follow a lot of right-wing sources. That's not a popular feminist position but it's exactly how the right-wing characterizes it to avoid honest engagement with, for example, the feminists who've written thoughtfully and compassionately about how traditional gender roles negatively impact men. The suicide rates you mention, for example, are commonly attributed to the intersection of economic declines for traditional working-class jobs and the traditional belief that men are supposed to be the family breadwinner, which implicitly tells men that if they're not married with a reasonably high income they're failures.
  - serverholic 4y ago
    No that's a common far-left cop-out. I don't follow many right wing sources, I closely observe how people talk and act, offline and online, and think for myself. In-fact I follow mostly left-wing media and I consider myself a true leftist because I think everyone should be treated equally, and power dynamics aren't as simple as man = has all power, women = has no power. But that's exactly the narrative that the left is pushing. I guarantee that if you were to post online even the simplest thing like "women have some power over men" you'll get dogpiled by people calling you a rapist because they can't handle nuance. I also call bullshit on your explanation for male suicide. Male loneliness plays a major role, and it's partly due to the fact that we collectively put women on a pedestal in our society. Which again goes back to lack of nuance. Something like 30% of men haven't had sex in the past year, and women generally find 80% of men unattractive on dating sites. There is real data backing up my position.
    - acdha 4y ago
      I get that you believe you're thinking independently here but you're doing a paint-by-numbers repetition of anti-feminist tropes here. I would strongly recommend reconsidering how objective your baseline is and, especially, checking primary sources and thinking critically about the interpretative narratives around them.
      - serverholic 4y ago
        Likewise, I hope some day you’ll be able to handle nuance instead of regurgitating what the blue team tells you.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      >Something like 30% of men haven't had sex in the past year >women generally find 80% of men unattractive on dating sites. For the first time in history, women actually have the societal, as well as legal right to not find a man. They are finally able to be choosy and say no when they don't want to do anything. They are no longer coerced by laws or societal norms to settle for a man, and can freely chose to only find a partner if that partner is attractive to them, physically or emotionally or whatever their preference is. Of course, men who were brought up to think that women owe them anything hate this, because it means they have to be more than just a living paycheck to get a partner. It means millions of men who in older times would have found a wife who settled for them now have to compete with other men who may understand and treat women as individuals instead of sex objects to be claimed. There is plenty of room to talk about how culture around men prioritizes sex and finding a partner, and discourages men from being themselves. There is plenty of room to talk about how plenty of women hate the current situation where logging into a dating app means 100 new messages, 5 unsolicited dick picks, and being called a slut when they rebuff someone's advances, as if that makes any sense. None of this is putting women on a pedestal. A significant portion of the right wing here in the states is actively campaigning on the idea of abolishing all non-standard cultures, and demonizing independent women and single mothers especially as solely responsible for society's ills. If you are hurt by a traditionally oppressed population finally getting the ability to direct their own life, you should consider what that says about your former position in the world.