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This is like saying "weight loss has only one priority; eat less food and exercise more". Of course, but people simply won't. So what do we do?

mavhc 4y ago
Descend into a planet of billions of migrants, mass famine, ultra right wing governments, while the population drops by billions
- korroziya 4y ago
  >while the population drops by billions Easiest way to reduce GHG emissions right there.
  - adrianN 4y ago
    But it's insufficient, both because it doesn't reduce emissions to zero and because it's much too slow to prevent catastrophic warming (indeed, if the population drop comes as a consequence of catastrophic warming, all is already lost).
- b4je7d7wb 4y ago
  Oh no, not the right wing governments.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> This is like saying "weight loss has only one priority; eat less food and exercise more". I think this is far more reasonable. Want to weigh less? Eat a bit less, move a bit more. OP said eliminate all carbon emissions. That's like starving to lose weight. A good compromise is "emit a little less, plant a few more trees" or something along those lines, which is basically what we're doing. We already know it won't be enough to avoid consequences, as those are already manifesting, but it's the most realistic path forward by far.
t43562 4y ago
We must only do what is absolutely critical to get benefit. The developed world will have to help the rest with technology but IMO the developing world should not be sitting there waiting for help. A lot of the money is going to have to be spent in the first world ... first to get the technology down in cost but there are existing technologies that developing countries can use now and it should be in their budgets instead of paying for their oversized army or paying ghost salaries to government workers who are all relatives of the minister. I mean these countries will need to act with a discipline and honesty that they are unaccustomed to. We need to get their populations worked up to demand it. (I am from Zimbabwe which is why this bugs me) To pretend that some people are going to entirely take care of others is demotivating and wrong. Most of us are going to have to take strain. We are also going to have to de-emphasise NIMBY and other concerns that aren't absolutely critical that might block our investments in clean energy.

mavhc 4y ago

Descend into a planet of billions of migrants, mass famine, ultra right wing governments, while the population drops by billions

korroziya 4y ago
>while the population drops by billions Easiest way to reduce GHG emissions right there.
- adrianN 4y ago
  But it's insufficient, both because it doesn't reduce emissions to zero and because it's much too slow to prevent catastrophic warming (indeed, if the population drop comes as a consequence of catastrophic warming, all is already lost).
b4je7d7wb 4y ago
Oh no, not the right wing governments.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> This is like saying "weight loss has only one priority; eat less food and exercise more". I think this is far more reasonable. Want to weigh less? Eat a bit less, move a bit more. OP said eliminate all carbon emissions. That's like starving to lose weight. A good compromise is "emit a little less, plant a few more trees" or something along those lines, which is basically what we're doing. We already know it won't be enough to avoid consequences, as those are already manifesting, but it's the most realistic path forward by far.

t43562 4y ago

We must only do what is absolutely critical to get benefit. The developed world will have to help the rest with technology but IMO the developing world should not be sitting there waiting for help. A lot of the money is going to have to be spent in the first world ... first to get the technology down in cost but there are existing technologies that developing countries can use now and it should be in their budgets instead of paying for their oversized army or paying ghost salaries to government workers who are all relatives of the minister. I mean these countries will need to act with a discipline and honesty that they are unaccustomed to. We need to get their populations worked up to demand it. (I am from Zimbabwe which is why this bugs me) To pretend that some people are going to entirely take care of others is demotivating and wrong. Most of us are going to have to take strain. We are also going to have to de-emphasise NIMBY and other concerns that aren't absolutely critical that might block our investments in clean energy.