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Twitter appears to have complied with removing the BBC documentary tweets for users in India. So some tweets are not available in India. It does look like Wiki

Twitter appears to have complied with removing the BBC documentary tweets for users in India. So some tweets are not available in India. It does look like Wikipedia is ahead of Twitter in the free speech absolutist game if it prefers being blocked to compliance.

mardifoufs 4y ago
I think he always specified that it was within the limits of local laws. Were the links removed for every country, or just in india?
- deleted 4y ago
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recuter 4y ago
You're comparing a group chat to an encyclopedia...
- factsarelolz 4y ago
  > encyclopedia Encyclopedias are not warped to fit a minority groups opinion like Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is a website, not a trusted source. Not sure when Wikipedia became something more than a crowdsourced opinion site.
  - recuter 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
- nashashmi 4y ago
  Wikipedia has become closer to group chat. And twitter closer to valuable dissemination of first person content.
  - recuter 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_end_of_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_end_of_Wiki...
- freeqaz 4y ago
  I'd describe Twitter as closer to a news site in the modern era. There are a lot of journalists and other important public figures sharing information there, and that's especially true for important live news events like earthquakes. (Twitter is the first place I check if I feel the house shake, for example.)
  - BowBun 4y ago
    Absolutely not. A news site presumes that a majority of the content on there is vetted, researched, and somewhat accurate within the bounds of typical news bias. Twitter is an open platform that anyone can say anything on. It's a social media site, and people happen to post their personal stories/experiences. Nothing more. I believe we wouldn't have such issues with misinformation if people stopped giving so much weight to everything they read on Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/etc.
    - hulitu 4y ago
      > A news site presumes that a majority of the content on there is vetted, researched, and somewhat accurate within the bounds of typical news bias. I don't know where you live, but here a news site is a site following political views or creating new stories which have nothing to do with reality. "researched, and somewhat accurate" is below 1 pecent of the site content.
  - eldaisfish 4y ago
    the presence of journalists does not make twitter a "news" site. Twitter is a firehose of misinformation and nonsense, a fraction of which has some value.
    - dwheeler 4y ago
      I agree with your point. But to be fair, many news sites are also a source of misinformation and nonsense, a fraction of which has some value. When hearing any news, I think it's important to get some independent verification before doing anything serious with it. News sites should be doing that verification, but they are strongly pressured to get news out fast, and verification often suffers.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Specifically with respect to receiving censorship demands from foreign governments, what is the meaningful difference between the two?
  - recuter 4y ago
    One of them is an encyclopedia.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      I'm asking you to explain why that difference is relevant to the consideration of receiving censorship demands from foreign governments. In my view, there is no relevant difference and both organizations should refuse these demands.
- hulitu 4y ago
  > You're comparing a group chat to an encyclopedia... Wikipedia is also a "grup chat". Just look at the history of any page. (Hint: discussion).
  - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
    So yes, that is a chat. However, >99.9% of views of Wikipedia are not the history/chat. Less sure about this one, but probably greater than 99% of people using Wikipedia don't even know that that exists.
34611 4y ago
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- computerfriend 4y ago
  A Wikipedia article, edited or altered!? Say it isn't so.
  - 34611 4y ago
    So you'd be okay handing over the wiki article to the pakistani ministry to edit as they see fit? Of course not. The point here isn't about editing or altering, it's about who gets to edit and alter.
    - cactusplant7374 4y ago
      This is quite the rabbit hole because many people believe falsehoods that believe they have a right to spread. This is why Musk bought Twitter in the first place. The reason some conservatives want to regulate social media companies like utilities: 1) these companies have made a lot of money in spite of preventing the spread of fake news 2) all conservative leaning platforms have been rejected by the public. > Wikipedia is not pro-free speech. They are advocates of "woke" culture and have censored/altered/etc many wikipedia articles. Any wikipedia article that was critical of western "religion" ( wokism, lgbt, zionism, etc ) are removed, edited, altered, etc. The western religion is capitalism. The things you mention are statistical anomalies. Most of the people complaining probably don't even know any LGBT people because they live relatively insular lives (and even then don't have any conflict with them). It seems strange to get hung up on things that don't effect daily life.
- sasattack 4y ago
  It's funny how Wikipedia's top editor is a literal CIA agent but people like you stay this stuff

mardifoufs 4y ago

I think he always specified that it was within the limits of local laws. Were the links removed for every country, or just in india?

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recuter 4y ago

You're comparing a group chat to an encyclopedia...

factsarelolz 4y ago
> encyclopedia Encyclopedias are not warped to fit a minority groups opinion like Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is a website, not a trusted source. Not sure when Wikipedia became something more than a crowdsourced opinion site.
- recuter 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
nashashmi 4y ago
Wikipedia has become closer to group chat. And twitter closer to valuable dissemination of first person content.
- recuter 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_end_of_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_end_of_Wiki...
freeqaz 4y ago
I'd describe Twitter as closer to a news site in the modern era. There are a lot of journalists and other important public figures sharing information there, and that's especially true for important live news events like earthquakes. (Twitter is the first place I check if I feel the house shake, for example.)
- BowBun 4y ago
  Absolutely not. A news site presumes that a majority of the content on there is vetted, researched, and somewhat accurate within the bounds of typical news bias. Twitter is an open platform that anyone can say anything on. It's a social media site, and people happen to post their personal stories/experiences. Nothing more. I believe we wouldn't have such issues with misinformation if people stopped giving so much weight to everything they read on Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/etc.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    > A news site presumes that a majority of the content on there is vetted, researched, and somewhat accurate within the bounds of typical news bias. I don't know where you live, but here a news site is a site following political views or creating new stories which have nothing to do with reality. "researched, and somewhat accurate" is below 1 pecent of the site content.
- eldaisfish 4y ago
  the presence of journalists does not make twitter a "news" site. Twitter is a firehose of misinformation and nonsense, a fraction of which has some value.
  - dwheeler 4y ago
    I agree with your point. But to be fair, many news sites are also a source of misinformation and nonsense, a fraction of which has some value. When hearing any news, I think it's important to get some independent verification before doing anything serious with it. News sites should be doing that verification, but they are strongly pressured to get news out fast, and verification often suffers.
LarryMullins 4y ago
Specifically with respect to receiving censorship demands from foreign governments, what is the meaningful difference between the two?
- recuter 4y ago
  One of them is an encyclopedia.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    I'm asking you to explain why that difference is relevant to the consideration of receiving censorship demands from foreign governments. In my view, there is no relevant difference and both organizations should refuse these demands.
hulitu 4y ago
> You're comparing a group chat to an encyclopedia... Wikipedia is also a "grup chat". Just look at the history of any page. (Hint: discussion).
- BenjiWiebe 4y ago
  So yes, that is a chat. However, >99.9% of views of Wikipedia are not the history/chat. Less sure about this one, but probably greater than 99% of people using Wikipedia don't even know that that exists.

34611 4y ago

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computerfriend 4y ago
A Wikipedia article, edited or altered!? Say it isn't so.
- 34611 4y ago
  So you'd be okay handing over the wiki article to the pakistani ministry to edit as they see fit? Of course not. The point here isn't about editing or altering, it's about who gets to edit and alter.
  - cactusplant7374 4y ago
    This is quite the rabbit hole because many people believe falsehoods that believe they have a right to spread. This is why Musk bought Twitter in the first place. The reason some conservatives want to regulate social media companies like utilities: 1) these companies have made a lot of money in spite of preventing the spread of fake news 2) all conservative leaning platforms have been rejected by the public. > Wikipedia is not pro-free speech. They are advocates of "woke" culture and have censored/altered/etc many wikipedia articles. Any wikipedia article that was critical of western "religion" ( wokism, lgbt, zionism, etc ) are removed, edited, altered, etc. The western religion is capitalism. The things you mention are statistical anomalies. Most of the people complaining probably don't even know any LGBT people because they live relatively insular lives (and even then don't have any conflict with them). It seems strange to get hung up on things that don't effect daily life.
sasattack 4y ago
It's funny how Wikipedia's top editor is a literal CIA agent but people like you stay this stuff