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Similar things are happening in the West given US and Euro govts leaning on Social Media companies to censor dissenting/blasphemous views. Just think - what are

Similar things are happening in the West given US and Euro govts leaning on Social Media companies to censor dissenting/blasphemous views. Just think - what are you not allowed to say? What will get you banned or blacklisted?

sidlls 4y ago
"banned or blacklisted" vs "executed by the state". Definitely equivalent. The West, in general, within its own territory, is better on just about every civil rights issue than places like Pakistan and China. That doesn't mean it's good: places like Pakistan and China set a pretty low bar.
- 34611 4y ago
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- hulitu 4y ago
  > The West, in general, within its own territory, is better on just about every civil rights issue than places like Pakistan and China. " Another Bleedin Monty Python Website banner image image HomeTV Series Holy Grail Meaning of LifeLife of BrianSilly Links Life of Brian Script Scene 12: Brian Earns Jailor's Pet Title The sketch: eerie music VOICE: Huo! whip VOICE: Hoo hoo hoo! Oh! clank whump BRIAN: Eh. clank JAILER: Eh, heh heh ha. ptoo BRIAN: Aah! Eh. JAILER: Eh, heh heh. cough cough cough cough cough BEN: You lucky bastard. BRIAN: Who's that? BEN: You lucky, lucky bastard. BRIAN: What? BEN: Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we? BRIAN: What do you mean? BEN: You must have slipped him a few shekels, eh? BRIAN: Slipped him a few shekels? You saw him spit in my face! BEN: Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face. BRIAN: Well, it's not exactly friendly, is it? They had me in manacles! BEN: Manacles! Ooh oooh oh oh. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be put in manacles... just for a few hours. They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny. BRIAN: Oh, lay off me. I've had a hard time! BEN: You've had a hard time?! I've been here five years! They only hung me the right way up yesterday! So, don't you come 'rou-- BRIAN: All right. All right. BEN: They must think you're Lord God Almighty. BRIAN: What will they do to me? BEN: Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion. BRIAN: Crucifixion?! BEN: Yeah, first offence. BRIAN: Get away with crucifixion?! It's-- BEN: Best thing the Romans ever did for us. BRIAN: What?! BEN: Oh, yeah. If we didn't have crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess. BRIAN: Guards! BEN: Nail him up, I say! BRIAN: Guards! BEN: Nail some sense into him! JAILER: cough cough What do you want? BRIAN: I want you to move me to another cell. JAILER: Ha! ptoo BRIAN: Aah! BEN: Oh, look at that! Bloody favoritism! JAILER: Shut up, you! BEN: Sorry! JAILER: Huhh. cough cough BEN: Now, take my case. They hung me up here five years ago. Every night, they take me down for twenty minutes, then they hang me up again, which I regard as very fair, in view of what I done, and, if nothing else, it's taught me to respect the Romans, and it's taught me... that you'll never get anywhere in this life, unless you're prepared to do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay! BRIAN: Oh, shut up! clank JAILER: Ehhh. CENTURION: Pilate wants to see you! BRIAN: Me? CENTURION: Come on! BRIAN: Pilate? What does he want to see me for? CENTURION: I think he wants to know which way up you want to be crucified. BEN: Oh, ha ha ha haa! Ha haa! Nice one, Centurion. Like it. Like it. CENTURION: Shut up! BEN: Right. Right. Terrific race, the Romans. Terrific."
cactusplant7374 4y ago
How similar is it though? The US sent emails with suggestions to Twitter. Pakistan is threatening/will block Wikipedia.
- Karsteski 4y ago
  What would have happened had Twitter not complied with said suggestions? To the company, to the executives, to regular employees? The threat of that is very real.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > What would have happened had Twitter not complied with said suggestions? Twitter did exactly that in some cases, with no apparent repercussions. In the most recent transparency report (https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/countries/us.html#2021-jul-dec https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/countries/us.htm...) Twitter declined ~30% of data requests from US government agencies. They are also suing the government over NSLs; https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2014/taking-the-fight-for-transparency-to-court.html https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2014/taking-the-fi...
ceejayoz 4y ago
Can you define "similar", please? The FBI sending Twitter emails about TOS violations they noticed and being executed for being an atheist are "similar" only if you really torture the definition.
- mistermann 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel

sidlls 4y ago

"banned or blacklisted" vs "executed by the state". Definitely equivalent. The West, in general, within its own territory, is better on just about every civil rights issue than places like Pakistan and China. That doesn't mean it's good: places like Pakistan and China set a pretty low bar.

34611 4y ago
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hulitu 4y ago
> The West, in general, within its own territory, is better on just about every civil rights issue than places like Pakistan and China. " Another Bleedin Monty Python Website banner image image HomeTV Series Holy Grail Meaning of LifeLife of BrianSilly Links Life of Brian Script Scene 12: Brian Earns Jailor's Pet Title The sketch: eerie music VOICE: Huo! whip VOICE: Hoo hoo hoo! Oh! clank whump BRIAN: Eh. clank JAILER: Eh, heh heh ha. ptoo BRIAN: Aah! Eh. JAILER: Eh, heh heh. cough cough cough cough cough BEN: You lucky bastard. BRIAN: Who's that? BEN: You lucky, lucky bastard. BRIAN: What? BEN: Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we? BRIAN: What do you mean? BEN: You must have slipped him a few shekels, eh? BRIAN: Slipped him a few shekels? You saw him spit in my face! BEN: Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face. BRIAN: Well, it's not exactly friendly, is it? They had me in manacles! BEN: Manacles! Ooh oooh oh oh. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be put in manacles... just for a few hours. They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny. BRIAN: Oh, lay off me. I've had a hard time! BEN: You've had a hard time?! I've been here five years! They only hung me the right way up yesterday! So, don't you come 'rou-- BRIAN: All right. All right. BEN: They must think you're Lord God Almighty. BRIAN: What will they do to me? BEN: Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion. BRIAN: Crucifixion?! BEN: Yeah, first offence. BRIAN: Get away with crucifixion?! It's-- BEN: Best thing the Romans ever did for us. BRIAN: What?! BEN: Oh, yeah. If we didn't have crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess. BRIAN: Guards! BEN: Nail him up, I say! BRIAN: Guards! BEN: Nail some sense into him! JAILER: cough cough What do you want? BRIAN: I want you to move me to another cell. JAILER: Ha! ptoo BRIAN: Aah! BEN: Oh, look at that! Bloody favoritism! JAILER: Shut up, you! BEN: Sorry! JAILER: Huhh. cough cough BEN: Now, take my case. They hung me up here five years ago. Every night, they take me down for twenty minutes, then they hang me up again, which I regard as very fair, in view of what I done, and, if nothing else, it's taught me to respect the Romans, and it's taught me... that you'll never get anywhere in this life, unless you're prepared to do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay! BRIAN: Oh, shut up! clank JAILER: Ehhh. CENTURION: Pilate wants to see you! BRIAN: Me? CENTURION: Come on! BRIAN: Pilate? What does he want to see me for? CENTURION: I think he wants to know which way up you want to be crucified. BEN: Oh, ha ha ha haa! Ha haa! Nice one, Centurion. Like it. Like it. CENTURION: Shut up! BEN: Right. Right. Terrific race, the Romans. Terrific."

cactusplant7374 4y ago

How similar is it though? The US sent emails with suggestions to Twitter. Pakistan is threatening/will block Wikipedia.

Karsteski 4y ago
What would have happened had Twitter not complied with said suggestions? To the company, to the executives, to regular employees? The threat of that is very real.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > What would have happened had Twitter not complied with said suggestions? Twitter did exactly that in some cases, with no apparent repercussions. In the most recent transparency report (https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/countries/us.html#2021-jul-dec https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/countries/us.htm...) Twitter declined ~30% of data requests from US government agencies. They are also suing the government over NSLs; https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2014/taking-the-fight-for-transparency-to-court.html https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2014/taking-the-fi...

ceejayoz 4y ago

Can you define "similar", please? The FBI sending Twitter emails about TOS violations they noticed and being executed for being an atheist are "similar" only if you really torture the definition.

mistermann 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel