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> As we move further away from it we stack up the health problems self inflicted: crooked teeth, wisdom teeth, miopia, acnee, vid-d deficiency, autoimmune disea

> As we move further away from it we stack up the health problems self inflicted: crooked teeth, wisdom teeth, miopia, acnee, vid-d deficiency, autoimmune diseases, depression, anxiety, etc The rest of these seem intuitively correct but could you expand on the dental problems?

alfor 4y ago
We eat softer food, the pressure from chewing is necessary for our jaw to develop properly. Without it our jaw is smaller leaving not enough space for all teeths. Smaller jaw also mean smaller airways in the sinus and throat making snoring and sleep apnea more common with huge repercussions.
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jjcc 4y ago
Not the op but I read some article saying that it it is caused by the dietary product from corn fed cow as opposed to the traditional dietary product. Supplements with Vit K2 is an easy fix.
- anthk 4y ago
  Europe is not corn but mainly wheat based, but it's the same after all.
jodrellblank 4y ago
Look for images from Weston Price’s book “nutrition and physical degeneration”, he toured the world a hundred years ago taking photos of teeth - it’s surprising that native tribal people all over had wide mouths not crowded teeth, no need for braces, they had white teeth and no need for fillings. Compared to today many in the west have narrow lower jaw, crowded crooked teeth and need many fillings. Weston Price attributed it to nutritional deficit in our diets and suggested things like eating more organ meats, eat how traditional people did. Then there’s sugar and fizzy drinks, sticky sweets, refined flour, cultivars of fruits chosen for sweetness, all very good for bacteria growing on the teeth causing tooth decay, and not so prevalent in the past with food being less sugary. More recently John Mew has put forth the idea that chewing thoroughly involves pushing up with the tongue which is a strong muscle and it pushed out on the jaws from inside; over a childhood of chewing that causes the jaws to widen and teeth to have room. These days with processed convenience foods you can swallow in a couple of bites, children aren’t chewing as tough food for as long, and he suggests that’s a contributor to why modern people have teeth crowding and narrow jaw problems.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > These days with processed convenience foods you can swallow in a couple of bites, children aren’t chewing as tough food for as long you'd think bubblegum would have helped with this. I don't think I've ever seen a kid turn down a gumball
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eep_social 4y ago
Others have answered already, but I wanted to mention the book Breath by James Nestor which has a chapter on chewing in particular. I can recommend the whole book if this piques your interest.
jononomo 4y ago
Homo Sapiens have been on Earth in their current form for 200,000 years, and for 95% of that time (until agriculture emerged 10,000 years ago), they were primarily hunters, meaning they ate meat primarily. From an economist's perspective, the return on hunting is something like 50x the return on gathering because of the huge number of calories one can acquire by killing a large fatty animal. I.e., six hours of hunting will yield you 50x the calories you could acquire from six hours of gathering. Competing with monkeys and parrots for fruit doesn't make sense when you could kill an antelope instead. (See the work of Miki Ben-Dor for more on this). And it turns out that if you only eat meat, you develop a stronger, wider, and more attractive jaw, your wisdom teeth come in properly, you never develop cavities, and you have good gum health. I avoided all plant-based calories in 2021, and when I went to the dentist for a cleaning, she specifically commented on my unusually good oral hygiene and gum health. Plants really aren't good for our bodies, including our gums and teeth. Today we think of grains, fruits, and vegetables as being less expensive than fresh meat, but that is an artifact of technology and industrial farming -- it does not reflect the natural state of man.
- soperj 4y ago
  > Homo Sapiens have been on Earth in their current form for 200,000 years, and for 95% of that time (until agriculture emerged 10,000 years ago), they were primarily hunters, meaning they ate meat primarily. Hunters and Gatherers. Likely gathered a whole hell of a lot of not meat as well.
  - jononomo 4y ago
    Would you spend $500 at the grocery store to buy 3000 calories worth of fruits and vegetables if you could instead spend $10 to buy 3000 calories worth of steak? Consider the fact that fruits and vegetables contain fiber, which human beings cannot digest, whereas steak does not.
    - soperj 4y ago
      There are close to 1800 calories in a 5 pound bag of potatoes vs 700 calories in a 10 oz steak. Pretty sure your dollar amounts there are vastly different from what is found at the grocery store.
cutthegrass2 4y ago
Check out "The Dental Diet" by Steven Lin. He summarises the research by Weston Price nicely.

alfor 4y ago

We eat softer food, the pressure from chewing is necessary for our jaw to develop properly. Without it our jaw is smaller leaving not enough space for all teeths. Smaller jaw also mean smaller airways in the sinus and throat making snoring and sleep apnea more common with huge repercussions.

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jjcc 4y ago

Not the op but I read some article saying that it it is caused by the dietary product from corn fed cow as opposed to the traditional dietary product. Supplements with Vit K2 is an easy fix.

anthk 4y ago
Europe is not corn but mainly wheat based, but it's the same after all.

jodrellblank 4y ago

Look for images from Weston Price’s book “nutrition and physical degeneration”, he toured the world a hundred years ago taking photos of teeth - it’s surprising that native tribal people all over had wide mouths not crowded teeth, no need for braces, they had white teeth and no need for fillings. Compared to today many in the west have narrow lower jaw, crowded crooked teeth and need many fillings. Weston Price attributed it to nutritional deficit in our diets and suggested things like eating more organ meats, eat how traditional people did. Then there’s sugar and fizzy drinks, sticky sweets, refined flour, cultivars of fruits chosen for sweetness, all very good for bacteria growing on the teeth causing tooth decay, and not so prevalent in the past with food being less sugary. More recently John Mew has put forth the idea that chewing thoroughly involves pushing up with the tongue which is a strong muscle and it pushed out on the jaws from inside; over a childhood of chewing that causes the jaws to widen and teeth to have room. These days with processed convenience foods you can swallow in a couple of bites, children aren’t chewing as tough food for as long, and he suggests that’s a contributor to why modern people have teeth crowding and narrow jaw problems.

autoexec 4y ago
> These days with processed convenience foods you can swallow in a couple of bites, children aren’t chewing as tough food for as long you'd think bubblegum would have helped with this. I don't think I've ever seen a kid turn down a gumball
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eep_social 4y ago

Others have answered already, but I wanted to mention the book Breath by James Nestor which has a chapter on chewing in particular. I can recommend the whole book if this piques your interest.

jononomo 4y ago

Homo Sapiens have been on Earth in their current form for 200,000 years, and for 95% of that time (until agriculture emerged 10,000 years ago), they were primarily hunters, meaning they ate meat primarily. From an economist's perspective, the return on hunting is something like 50x the return on gathering because of the huge number of calories one can acquire by killing a large fatty animal. I.e., six hours of hunting will yield you 50x the calories you could acquire from six hours of gathering. Competing with monkeys and parrots for fruit doesn't make sense when you could kill an antelope instead. (See the work of Miki Ben-Dor for more on this). And it turns out that if you only eat meat, you develop a stronger, wider, and more attractive jaw, your wisdom teeth come in properly, you never develop cavities, and you have good gum health. I avoided all plant-based calories in 2021, and when I went to the dentist for a cleaning, she specifically commented on my unusually good oral hygiene and gum health. Plants really aren't good for our bodies, including our gums and teeth. Today we think of grains, fruits, and vegetables as being less expensive than fresh meat, but that is an artifact of technology and industrial farming -- it does not reflect the natural state of man.

soperj 4y ago
> Homo Sapiens have been on Earth in their current form for 200,000 years, and for 95% of that time (until agriculture emerged 10,000 years ago), they were primarily hunters, meaning they ate meat primarily. Hunters and Gatherers. Likely gathered a whole hell of a lot of not meat as well.
- jononomo 4y ago
  Would you spend $500 at the grocery store to buy 3000 calories worth of fruits and vegetables if you could instead spend $10 to buy 3000 calories worth of steak? Consider the fact that fruits and vegetables contain fiber, which human beings cannot digest, whereas steak does not.
  - soperj 4y ago
    There are close to 1800 calories in a 5 pound bag of potatoes vs 700 calories in a 10 oz steak. Pretty sure your dollar amounts there are vastly different from what is found at the grocery store.

cutthegrass2 4y ago

Check out "The Dental Diet" by Steven Lin. He summarises the research by Weston Price nicely.