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Could you elaborate on what you mean by FAANG salary? I’ve always heard the prevailing wisdom is that if you’ve got one of those names on your resume you’re bas

by CSSer 4y ago

Could you elaborate on what you mean by FAANG salary? I’ve always heard the prevailing wisdom is that if you’ve got one of those names on your resume you’re basically set.

codingdave 4y ago
It means they assume you want to keep that high salary, and won't waste their time calling you back if their target compensation isn't competitive with FAANG, because going through an interview process only to have the candidate reject the offer isn't productive for anyone.
- JustSomeNobody 4y ago
  One more reason companies should post the salary range. If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range.
  - paulcole 4y ago
    > If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range. Close but not quite. It's more like: > If someone with FAANG is still applying, it appears they're willing to work for that range. When I'm willing to go through the job interview process and say no to an offer I don't like, I completely ignore the salary range. I'll get the interviewer and team to love me and then just decline if they won't go above their range. Or I'll take it because they've convinced me the job will be enjoyable enough to offset the lower salary. Plenty of things in life are flexible if you ask. But plenty of things aren't flexible even when you ask. Sometimes, I'm willing to waste my time to find out which is which.
    - codingdave 4y ago
      Sure, but the recruiter isn't willing to waste their time to find out if you deem their role good enough to accept something lower, or if you are going to make them go to bat to spend more money on you. It is better for their goals to move on to someone who is actually seeking something within the target compensation's budget.
      - paulcole 4y ago
        Yes, except my comment and the comment I replied to had nothing to do with your point. I replied to: > If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range.
  - freedude 4y ago
    Oh you would be surprised what people think. They think you will change your ability to pay almost just as frequently.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    > If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range. But even that doesn't mean as much as you might think. Someone might be willing to take a pay cut because they're in dire need of work. But will they be happy with that pay rate in a year or two?
  - firstfewshells 4y ago
    It just means they're trying to get a counter offer to improve their negotiating ability.
otikik 4y ago
From the point of view of someone who has had to hire in the past, here's how it would go in my head: Oh, this person has worked at Google (for example). Our compensation is good, but not Google-good. I could look that the rest of this resume, if this person is a good fit, have an initial 40-minutes meeting with them to discuss compensation, start the hiring process, and then they will reject us because we're lower than they are accustomed to, or because they have found something that pays more. Or I could move this resume to the reject pile and move on to the next candidate. Oh my, look at the time.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  This. Also, there's the issue of fit. Plenty of companies don't operate like FAANG companies do. If a candidate is FAANG-heavy, it raises a serious question about whether or not they'd fit into a non-FAANG company.
  - kayodelycaon 4y ago
    Any resume including a recent Microsoft QA position is an automatic reject for me. Microsoft does not hire technical people, they hire robots who need their tests written for them.
    - CSSer 4y ago
      The nice thing about this thread is it seems there are lots of little gems that help decide where I'd definitely like to not work in the future.
- stcroixx 4y ago
  Yes, this, and I know the problems we're solving are not as interesting as what anyone at Google is doing, so I assume they would be bored and only stay until they find something more interesting. So, pass. FAANG kind of traps you - you can drop out of that world into a scrappy startup, but not boring stable corporate dev.
cguess 4y ago
It means you're set for a very specific type of job in a very specific industry. If I'm launching a start up and you showed up to be employee #4, unless you were #4 at the FAANG or are in your late 30's or older, I'm probably not going to hire you. The fact is that FAANGs do things in a very particular manner and on small, focused teams. That's the opposite of how start ups work and applying most of the managerial "skills" that are in place at FAANGs are a good way to apply a ton of unnecessary bureaucracy to a company that doesn't even have an HR department yet. "Founder is formerly Google and Facebook!" makes me stay very very far away from the company because outside of the VC world the reason those words have power are red flags.
- neilv 4y ago
  > or are in your late 30's or older, I'm probably not going to hire you. This sounds illegal in the US. (Also, it's the opposite of the usual illegal ageism we see in post-dotcom tech companies.)
  - vikingerik 4y ago
    The Age Discrimination in Employment Act forbids only discrimination against workers over age 40 in the US. It does not prohibit age-based discrimination against a worker who is under 40. Nor does it prohibit discriminating in favor of a worker over 40. More generally, discrimination in employment is legal by default, unless a specific protected class is created by a specific law. Many classes of discrimination are legal, such as against smokers or obesity. States and localities may have more restrictions than at the federal level, of course.
  - a_techwriter_00 4y ago
    To my knowledge in the US "40 and older" is a protected class but "under 40" is not.
  - pacaro 4y ago
    Ageism is a weird one from a discrimination standpoint. My understanding is that it's specifically defined (in the US) to prevent discrimination against those over 40 As an engineer in my 50s I've never personally been on the receiving end of ageism, but I've definitely seen extremely smart young engineers passed over for opportunities because they were deemed too young/inexperienced

by CSSer 4y ago

Could you elaborate on what you mean by FAANG salary? I’ve always heard the prevailing wisdom is that if you’ve got one of those names on your resume you’re basically set.

codingdave 4y ago

It means they assume you want to keep that high salary, and won't waste their time calling you back if their target compensation isn't competitive with FAANG, because going through an interview process only to have the candidate reject the offer isn't productive for anyone.

JustSomeNobody 4y ago
One more reason companies should post the salary range. If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range.
- paulcole 4y ago
  > If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range. Close but not quite. It's more like: > If someone with FAANG is still applying, it appears they're willing to work for that range. When I'm willing to go through the job interview process and say no to an offer I don't like, I completely ignore the salary range. I'll get the interviewer and team to love me and then just decline if they won't go above their range. Or I'll take it because they've convinced me the job will be enjoyable enough to offset the lower salary. Plenty of things in life are flexible if you ask. But plenty of things aren't flexible even when you ask. Sometimes, I'm willing to waste my time to find out which is which.
  - codingdave 4y ago
    Sure, but the recruiter isn't willing to waste their time to find out if you deem their role good enough to accept something lower, or if you are going to make them go to bat to spend more money on you. It is better for their goals to move on to someone who is actually seeking something within the target compensation's budget.
    - paulcole 4y ago
      Yes, except my comment and the comment I replied to had nothing to do with your point. I replied to: > If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range.
- freedude 4y ago
  Oh you would be surprised what people think. They think you will change your ability to pay almost just as frequently.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > If someone with FAANG is still applying, that means they're willing to work for that range. But even that doesn't mean as much as you might think. Someone might be willing to take a pay cut because they're in dire need of work. But will they be happy with that pay rate in a year or two?
- firstfewshells 4y ago
  It just means they're trying to get a counter offer to improve their negotiating ability.

otikik 4y ago

From the point of view of someone who has had to hire in the past, here's how it would go in my head: Oh, this person has worked at Google (for example). Our compensation is good, but not Google-good. I could look that the rest of this resume, if this person is a good fit, have an initial 40-minutes meeting with them to discuss compensation, start the hiring process, and then they will reject us because we're lower than they are accustomed to, or because they have found something that pays more. Or I could move this resume to the reject pile and move on to the next candidate. Oh my, look at the time.

JohnFen 4y ago
This. Also, there's the issue of fit. Plenty of companies don't operate like FAANG companies do. If a candidate is FAANG-heavy, it raises a serious question about whether or not they'd fit into a non-FAANG company.
- kayodelycaon 4y ago
  Any resume including a recent Microsoft QA position is an automatic reject for me. Microsoft does not hire technical people, they hire robots who need their tests written for them.
  - CSSer 4y ago
    The nice thing about this thread is it seems there are lots of little gems that help decide where I'd definitely like to not work in the future.
stcroixx 4y ago
Yes, this, and I know the problems we're solving are not as interesting as what anyone at Google is doing, so I assume they would be bored and only stay until they find something more interesting. So, pass. FAANG kind of traps you - you can drop out of that world into a scrappy startup, but not boring stable corporate dev.

cguess 4y ago

It means you're set for a very specific type of job in a very specific industry. If I'm launching a start up and you showed up to be employee #4, unless you were #4 at the FAANG or are in your late 30's or older, I'm probably not going to hire you. The fact is that FAANGs do things in a very particular manner and on small, focused teams. That's the opposite of how start ups work and applying most of the managerial "skills" that are in place at FAANGs are a good way to apply a ton of unnecessary bureaucracy to a company that doesn't even have an HR department yet. "Founder is formerly Google and Facebook!" makes me stay very very far away from the company because outside of the VC world the reason those words have power are red flags.

neilv 4y ago
> or are in your late 30's or older, I'm probably not going to hire you. This sounds illegal in the US. (Also, it's the opposite of the usual illegal ageism we see in post-dotcom tech companies.)
- vikingerik 4y ago
  The Age Discrimination in Employment Act forbids only discrimination against workers over age 40 in the US. It does not prohibit age-based discrimination against a worker who is under 40. Nor does it prohibit discriminating in favor of a worker over 40. More generally, discrimination in employment is legal by default, unless a specific protected class is created by a specific law. Many classes of discrimination are legal, such as against smokers or obesity. States and localities may have more restrictions than at the federal level, of course.
- a_techwriter_00 4y ago
  To my knowledge in the US "40 and older" is a protected class but "under 40" is not.
- pacaro 4y ago
  Ageism is a weird one from a discrimination standpoint. My understanding is that it's specifically defined (in the US) to prevent discrimination against those over 40 As an engineer in my 50s I've never personally been on the receiving end of ageism, but I've definitely seen extremely smart young engineers passed over for opportunities because they were deemed too young/inexperienced