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I suspect you're wrong that the stealing is inadvertent. I'm suspicious the makers of the art generator AI systems know exactly what they're doing and see no i

I suspect you're wrong that the stealing is inadvertent. I'm suspicious the makers of the art generator AI systems know exactly what they're doing and see no issues with it.

Forgeties79 4y ago
I guess I’m just trying to be a little generous. They probably know it’s a risk and either rationalize it away with something along the lines of “well, it’s such a tiny minuscule piece from so many different people that it’s not really stealing“ or just pretend they don’t know. At this point the ignorance does seem willful. Either way, I’m more just curious what other people have to say on the matter as I am not as knowledgeable of subject. I am on the creator side and it’s all bad news over here.
- pixl97 4y ago
  > “well, it’s such a tiny minuscule piece from so many different people that it’s not really stealing“ RMS wrote 'the right to read' because issues like this, and if you've not read it, I recommend you do. "A bunch of little bits of different things" isn't stealing, it's society and culture. If you got your wish of everything I create if fully copyrighted, you'd find two things. One, that you're last in line and don't come up with original ideas often, even in original artwork. And two, that monied corporations would quickly buy up rights to everything and make life as an artist completely impossible.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    I'm not even sure that's what is happening to be honest, I'm just speculating as to how somehow could reason it away for themselves. I don't know what the line is for "too much inspiration" where it becomes stealing. I'll make sure to check that out though, appreciate it!
- NateEag 4y ago
  Your choice to be generous is a kind and good one. I don't have great insight into copyright issues, but as one who loves music and used to play a lot of it, I'm right there with you on the "it's all bad news over here". It seems to me that the current crop of art generators ape styles but don't come up with their own. I worry that if they put most human artists out of work, the arts will stagnate badly. I guess we'll see.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    >I worry that if they put most human artists out of work, the arts will stagnate badly. Right there with you. And it's hard to even decide what qualifies as "adapt or die" you know? Do I just use AI-assisted tools? Do I "just" pivot my career and go somewhere else?
Xelynega 4y ago
If a bunch of random people on the internet see the potential copyright infringement and need for clarification, then it's doubtful makers of art generator algorithmsbdidnt think of the same potential issues and choose to ignore them.
- Tostino 4y ago
  There are a whole bunch of people who think copyrights have held back progress, and this is a technological solution to allowing the sharing of information more freely.

I suspect you're wrong that the stealing is inadvertent. I'm suspicious the makers of the art generator AI systems know exactly what they're doing and see no issues with it.

Forgeties79 4y ago

I guess I’m just trying to be a little generous. They probably know it’s a risk and either rationalize it away with something along the lines of “well, it’s such a tiny minuscule piece from so many different people that it’s not really stealing“ or just pretend they don’t know. At this point the ignorance does seem willful. Either way, I’m more just curious what other people have to say on the matter as I am not as knowledgeable of subject. I am on the creator side and it’s all bad news over here.

pixl97 4y ago
> “well, it’s such a tiny minuscule piece from so many different people that it’s not really stealing“ RMS wrote 'the right to read' because issues like this, and if you've not read it, I recommend you do. "A bunch of little bits of different things" isn't stealing, it's society and culture. If you got your wish of everything I create if fully copyrighted, you'd find two things. One, that you're last in line and don't come up with original ideas often, even in original artwork. And two, that monied corporations would quickly buy up rights to everything and make life as an artist completely impossible.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  I'm not even sure that's what is happening to be honest, I'm just speculating as to how somehow could reason it away for themselves. I don't know what the line is for "too much inspiration" where it becomes stealing. I'll make sure to check that out though, appreciate it!
NateEag 4y ago
Your choice to be generous is a kind and good one. I don't have great insight into copyright issues, but as one who loves music and used to play a lot of it, I'm right there with you on the "it's all bad news over here". It seems to me that the current crop of art generators ape styles but don't come up with their own. I worry that if they put most human artists out of work, the arts will stagnate badly. I guess we'll see.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  >I worry that if they put most human artists out of work, the arts will stagnate badly. Right there with you. And it's hard to even decide what qualifies as "adapt or die" you know? Do I just use AI-assisted tools? Do I "just" pivot my career and go somewhere else?

Xelynega 4y ago

If a bunch of random people on the internet see the potential copyright infringement and need for clarification, then it's doubtful makers of art generator algorithmsbdidnt think of the same potential issues and choose to ignore them.

Tostino 4y ago
There are a whole bunch of people who think copyrights have held back progress, and this is a technological solution to allowing the sharing of information more freely.