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Society in general has norms around drugs, sex, finance, law. He believes that all norms are not based on reality but arbitrary and can be easily ignored.

haswell 4y ago
The existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  How is this a liberal conspiracy? SBF's father is a member of the Federalist Society, a far-right political group that has taken control of the federal judiciary over the past 2 decades. The judge that granted SBF bail is also a member of the Federalist Society...
  - haswell 4y ago
    Where is the liberal conspiracy? I don't understand where you're coming from.
shapefrog 4y ago
When you look around successful circles 'the norm' for drugs, sex, finance and law are pretty well aligned with SBF. Go on linkedin and you will see people bullshitting just as much if not more, its basically a meme at this point.

haswell 4y ago

The existence of a norm does not imply that it is good (see: racism), and not all norms are enshrined in law. To me, the issue is not that norms don't or shouldn't exist, but how the parent comment uses norms that are currently at the forefront of social controversy and rapid change with a subtle implication that breaking these norms is worthy of judgement, and an explanation for larger transgressions. Having views about sex and drugs that break from societal trends is not an indicator that someone is more or less likely to behave as if norms don't exist at all. Most people who practice ENM are fully aware of the delta between societal attitudes and members of that community, and have no illusions about how society will perceive them. They just don't care, and they don't have to, because they're free to pursue relationships with whom they please. Believing all norms are arbitrary seems more like a product of privilege leading to an unbalanced and limited understanding of the world than a product of any of the individual factors mentioned by the parent.

gamblor956 4y ago
How is this a liberal conspiracy? SBF's father is a member of the Federalist Society, a far-right political group that has taken control of the federal judiciary over the past 2 decades. The judge that granted SBF bail is also a member of the Federalist Society...
- haswell 4y ago
  Where is the liberal conspiracy? I don't understand where you're coming from.

shapefrog 4y ago

When you look around successful circles 'the norm' for drugs, sex, finance and law are pretty well aligned with SBF. Go on linkedin and you will see people bullshitting just as much if not more, its basically a meme at this point.