I've been talking about indirect effects. Direct effects are what you injected into the conversation by way of talking about epidemics. You are indeed indirectl

I've been talking about indirect effects. Direct effects are what you injected into the conversation by way of talking about epidemics. You are indeed indirectly affected by the poor state of health care in this nation as a result of the lost economic productivity, and any cultural decline that can ensue. My analogy to fire control is simply to point out that we are affected by the well being of others. Tort reform is a solution to a completely different problem than what I've been talking about, so again, I fail to see the relevance. We clearly disagree on what would improve the public health, and our disagreement clearly stems from ideological differences which haven't surfaced here. That's fine, but nothing that we've been doing amounts to an actual debate over the issue in question.