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> vaccines are supposed to provide immunity (not "protection") This is, in fact, wrong. Vaccines can't give us immunity. "We’re Asking the Impossible of Vacci

> vaccines are supposed to provide immunity (not "protection") This is, in fact, wrong. Vaccines can't give us immunity. "We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines" https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz... > Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable. > No infection means no disease, no death, and no transmission, the absolute immunological trifecta. It’s why sterilizing immunity has often been framed as a “holy grail,” > COVID-19 vaccines were never going to give us sterilizing immunity; it’s possible they never will. But the reason isn’t just their design, or the wily nature of the virus, or heavy and frequent exposures, though those factors all play a role. It’s that sterilizing immunity itself might be a biological myth.

machina_ex_deus 4y ago
See, so I am right that this is counter culture? I said this and it triggered you to jump and respond with fact checks and whatever. https://web.archive.org/web/20060212064058/https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine https://web.archive.org/web/20060212064058/https://www.merri... Can also show you that the dominant medical narrative around vaccines was that they provide immunity (except in the case of immune compromised individuals). To this day I'm actually astonished watching the entire medical consensus shift as a direct result for the failure of the COVID vaccines. Absolute objective failure. What's even more surprising to me is watching the entire narrative move around instead of acknowledging this. Instead of acknowledging the truth, the definitions move around so that the truth is redefined. The definition of vaccine (provides immunity), recession (two quarters of contraction), woman (female with XX chromosomes), election, freedom (from doing what you want to "the ability to choose"), family (husband, wife and kids), democracy, peaceful ("protests"), racism (treating someone differently because of race, now you're racist for not giving preferential treatment to some1). Global warming became climate change. I've watched how in very few years the entire world has been reprogrammed with new definitions for these like ChatGPT. They kept getting bombarded with new definitions, so that lies will be redefined to be truths. It is absolutely ridiculous to watch and realize how the media could train people like some neural network to lose the meanings of words and the relation to reality. It is watching people being reprogrammed into newspeak where they literally can't understand what's wrong because the meaning of all words have been replaced in their minds, so they can't have controversial thoughts. It has become impossible to communicate. It's like talking to ChatGPT trained on some corrupt input, they are writing the same letters and speaking the same syllables but they have a different mental model. There are no other words describing the concepts they have lost, so at this point it's like speaking in two different languages. You'll say they don't have freedom and they will reply that they can choose what they want to do. In 10 years they will own nothing and be happy, because they will redefine rented property to be "yours".
- GalenErso 4y ago
  > The definition of vaccine (provides immunity) "That technical coarseness might help explain why several historical vaccines have been assumed to be sterilizing. With measles, for instance, scientists initially lacked the tests needed to show them otherwise" (from the Atlantic article) > recession (two quarters of contraction), "Is Recession Staring Us Down? Already Upon Us? Here’s Why It’s Hard to Say. The U.S. may register a second straight quarter of economic contraction, one benchmark of a recession. But that won’t be the last word. Most economists still don’t think the United States meets the formal definition, which is based on a broader set of indicators, including measures of income, spending and job growth." (New York Times) > woman (female with XX chromosomes), "Gender is a complex interaction of underlying biological difference and social norms, not a simplistic either/or" (The Atlantic) > freedom (from doing what you want to "the ability to choose") "Freedom Means Doing Whatever You Want?" "Before getting to the debate, we have to mention two key ideas about what freedom means. The first is that no one has absolute freedom in the sense of having the power to disengage completely from societal norms and values. The second idea is related to the fact that freedom doesn’t just entail the choice between one action or another. It extends to thoughts and emotions as well. All of us have some freedom to choose what we think and feel. We also have to consider the responsibility that is attached to the willingness and ability to choose." https://exploringyourmind.com/freedom-mean-doing-whatever-you-want/ https://exploringyourmind.com/freedom-mean-doing-whatever-yo... > family (husband, wife and kids), "What is a “family”? Statistically, it is no longer a mother, a father and their biological children living together under one roof (and certainly not with Dad going off to work and Mom staying home). Although perception and acceptance often lag behind reality, there is evidence that a new definition of family — while far from universally accepted — is emerging." (New York Times)
  - machina_ex_deus 4y ago
    Thanks for citing all those mainstream media news. Too bad I don't shape my perception of reality on their nonsense. They are literally just other humans. You have no common sense firewall or consistency if you allow these people to reprogram you. You're just proving my point that these deconstruction of language and values come from the media. Get some common sense anti virus for your brain. You're being fed bad training input to get the desired output. The desired output is having a dumb society of wage slaves who get to choose between two options and think they are free. Society of people where you can keep suggesting terrible "choices" to people like self genital mutilation (the real choice being self-acceptance), killing fetuses (the real choice was making the fetus in the first place), and picking between two equally corrupt parties, or losing your job and taking a worthless vaccine. And those sheep in that society will reprogram themselves to only act on the choices presented and never think for themselves. Society where the only non-binary choice you get to make, is quite ironically, "your gender", which is literally the most binary non-choice you're ever given. But of course the maximum false choices presented will be where you don't really have a choice at all.
Pigalowda 4y ago
This is a bit of a mischaracterization of what he was trying to say I think. The immunizations we’re all used to like the TDAP, MMR, and Hep B are so effective that if you have the shot your immune system will react very well and prevent symptomatic and communicable disease. Yes some infections slip through the cracks for various circumstances (immune compromise, waning immunity, simple chance). The seasonal flu vaccine I understand at least. Influenza is a difficult virus to target and regular antigenic shift/drift make effective vaccines really tough to make. The covid vaccine doesn’t provide enough protection to prevent infection and communicable disease. It’s not great it’s not even good. I was infected with it right after my first pfizer shot. I’m 5 shots deep and most of my colleagues at work have been infected multiple times and they’re mostly 4 shots deep. Coronaviruses are difficult viruses to target for vaccines, they’re enveloped and mutate. Why are these particular vaccines which are pretty mediocre being pushed so hard? The mRNA strategy targeting them is intellectually interesting however not good enough. Maybe they should try a different route or just give it a God damn rest.

machina_ex_deus 4y ago

See, so I am right that this is counter culture? I said this and it triggered you to jump and respond with fact checks and whatever. https://web.archive.org/web/20060212064058/https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine https://web.archive.org/web/20060212064058/https://www.merri... Can also show you that the dominant medical narrative around vaccines was that they provide immunity (except in the case of immune compromised individuals). To this day I'm actually astonished watching the entire medical consensus shift as a direct result for the failure of the COVID vaccines. Absolute objective failure. What's even more surprising to me is watching the entire narrative move around instead of acknowledging this. Instead of acknowledging the truth, the definitions move around so that the truth is redefined. The definition of vaccine (provides immunity), recession (two quarters of contraction), woman (female with XX chromosomes), election, freedom (from doing what you want to "the ability to choose"), family (husband, wife and kids), democracy, peaceful ("protests"), racism (treating someone differently because of race, now you're racist for not giving preferential treatment to some1). Global warming became climate change. I've watched how in very few years the entire world has been reprogrammed with new definitions for these like ChatGPT. They kept getting bombarded with new definitions, so that lies will be redefined to be truths. It is absolutely ridiculous to watch and realize how the media could train people like some neural network to lose the meanings of words and the relation to reality. It is watching people being reprogrammed into newspeak where they literally can't understand what's wrong because the meaning of all words have been replaced in their minds, so they can't have controversial thoughts. It has become impossible to communicate. It's like talking to ChatGPT trained on some corrupt input, they are writing the same letters and speaking the same syllables but they have a different mental model. There are no other words describing the concepts they have lost, so at this point it's like speaking in two different languages. You'll say they don't have freedom and they will reply that they can choose what they want to do. In 10 years they will own nothing and be happy, because they will redefine rented property to be "yours".

GalenErso 4y ago
> The definition of vaccine (provides immunity) "That technical coarseness might help explain why several historical vaccines have been assumed to be sterilizing. With measles, for instance, scientists initially lacked the tests needed to show them otherwise" (from the Atlantic article) > recession (two quarters of contraction), "Is Recession Staring Us Down? Already Upon Us? Here’s Why It’s Hard to Say. The U.S. may register a second straight quarter of economic contraction, one benchmark of a recession. But that won’t be the last word. Most economists still don’t think the United States meets the formal definition, which is based on a broader set of indicators, including measures of income, spending and job growth." (New York Times) > woman (female with XX chromosomes), "Gender is a complex interaction of underlying biological difference and social norms, not a simplistic either/or" (The Atlantic) > freedom (from doing what you want to "the ability to choose") "Freedom Means Doing Whatever You Want?" "Before getting to the debate, we have to mention two key ideas about what freedom means. The first is that no one has absolute freedom in the sense of having the power to disengage completely from societal norms and values. The second idea is related to the fact that freedom doesn’t just entail the choice between one action or another. It extends to thoughts and emotions as well. All of us have some freedom to choose what we think and feel. We also have to consider the responsibility that is attached to the willingness and ability to choose." https://exploringyourmind.com/freedom-mean-doing-whatever-you-want/ https://exploringyourmind.com/freedom-mean-doing-whatever-yo... > family (husband, wife and kids), "What is a “family”? Statistically, it is no longer a mother, a father and their biological children living together under one roof (and certainly not with Dad going off to work and Mom staying home). Although perception and acceptance often lag behind reality, there is evidence that a new definition of family — while far from universally accepted — is emerging." (New York Times)
- machina_ex_deus 4y ago
  Thanks for citing all those mainstream media news. Too bad I don't shape my perception of reality on their nonsense. They are literally just other humans. You have no common sense firewall or consistency if you allow these people to reprogram you. You're just proving my point that these deconstruction of language and values come from the media. Get some common sense anti virus for your brain. You're being fed bad training input to get the desired output. The desired output is having a dumb society of wage slaves who get to choose between two options and think they are free. Society of people where you can keep suggesting terrible "choices" to people like self genital mutilation (the real choice being self-acceptance), killing fetuses (the real choice was making the fetus in the first place), and picking between two equally corrupt parties, or losing your job and taking a worthless vaccine. And those sheep in that society will reprogram themselves to only act on the choices presented and never think for themselves. Society where the only non-binary choice you get to make, is quite ironically, "your gender", which is literally the most binary non-choice you're ever given. But of course the maximum false choices presented will be where you don't really have a choice at all.

Pigalowda 4y ago

This is a bit of a mischaracterization of what he was trying to say I think. The immunizations we’re all used to like the TDAP, MMR, and Hep B are so effective that if you have the shot your immune system will react very well and prevent symptomatic and communicable disease. Yes some infections slip through the cracks for various circumstances (immune compromise, waning immunity, simple chance). The seasonal flu vaccine I understand at least. Influenza is a difficult virus to target and regular antigenic shift/drift make effective vaccines really tough to make. The covid vaccine doesn’t provide enough protection to prevent infection and communicable disease. It’s not great it’s not even good. I was infected with it right after my first pfizer shot. I’m 5 shots deep and most of my colleagues at work have been infected multiple times and they’re mostly 4 shots deep. Coronaviruses are difficult viruses to target for vaccines, they’re enveloped and mutate. Why are these particular vaccines which are pretty mediocre being pushed so hard? The mRNA strategy targeting them is intellectually interesting however not good enough. Maybe they should try a different route or just give it a God damn rest.