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> Ukraine has repelled Russia very effectively with just manpads, ATGMs and NATO intelligence. Ukraine has effectively repelled Russia because it's the second

> Ukraine has repelled Russia very effectively with just manpads, ATGMs and NATO intelligence. Ukraine has effectively repelled Russia because it's the second biggest military in Europe after Russia, and second strongest air defence in Europe after Russia. This is the sole biggest factor without saying which, everything else is meaningless.

psychphysic 4y ago
I'm not so convinced. It's mainly because the attrition rate should have entirely depleted the S-300 system in the first 6 months (2-3 per week during the main phase). Ukraine is a big country and there were loads of missile attacks to defend. It's very unlikely it was able to move S-300s continuously into needed areas compared with manpads. Yet it would have been a PR disaster if NATO admitted to supplying weapons to Ukraine before the invasion started. So MANPADs are implied to have sprouted like mushrooms in Ukraine...
- dboreham 4y ago
  Supposedly RAF flew many C-17s of light weapons into Ukraine immediately before the invasion.
  - yobbo 4y ago
    There were even news articles with pictures.
- baybal2 4y ago
  There are thousands of S300*, and Buk missiles in stockpiles of both Ukraine, and Russia. Enough to shoot down each other's airforce a few times over.
- lfodofod 4y ago
  MANPADs have intercepted a few missiles, but are not a tool for intercepting missiles. > Yet it would have been a PR disaster if NATO admitted to supplying weapons to Ukraine before the invasion started. So MANPADs are implied to have sprouted like mushrooms in Ukraine.. You can’t be serious, NATO openly delivered MANPADs and vast amounts of other munitions before the war started https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2022_global_security_army_industry/lithuania_delivers_today_stinger_manpads_air_defense_missile_weapons_to_ukraine.html https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2022_g... https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-crisis-who-supplies-weapons-to-kyiv/a-60772390 https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-crisis-who-supplies-wea... Maybe try to learn some basic facts about the subject before commenting?

psychphysic 4y ago

I'm not so convinced. It's mainly because the attrition rate should have entirely depleted the S-300 system in the first 6 months (2-3 per week during the main phase). Ukraine is a big country and there were loads of missile attacks to defend. It's very unlikely it was able to move S-300s continuously into needed areas compared with manpads. Yet it would have been a PR disaster if NATO admitted to supplying weapons to Ukraine before the invasion started. So MANPADs are implied to have sprouted like mushrooms in Ukraine...

dboreham 4y ago
Supposedly RAF flew many C-17s of light weapons into Ukraine immediately before the invasion.
- yobbo 4y ago
  There were even news articles with pictures.
baybal2 4y ago
There are thousands of S300*, and Buk missiles in stockpiles of both Ukraine, and Russia. Enough to shoot down each other's airforce a few times over.
lfodofod 4y ago
MANPADs have intercepted a few missiles, but are not a tool for intercepting missiles. > Yet it would have been a PR disaster if NATO admitted to supplying weapons to Ukraine before the invasion started. So MANPADs are implied to have sprouted like mushrooms in Ukraine.. You can’t be serious, NATO openly delivered MANPADs and vast amounts of other munitions before the war started https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2022_global_security_army_industry/lithuania_delivers_today_stinger_manpads_air_defense_missile_weapons_to_ukraine.html https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_february_2022_g... https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-crisis-who-supplies-weapons-to-kyiv/a-60772390 https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-crisis-who-supplies-wea... Maybe try to learn some basic facts about the subject before commenting?