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Taping a nail to your jacket doesn’t make you Punk.

AmericanChopper 4y ago
Sounds like gatekeeping to me. I know LGBT culture generally used to be edgy and underground. But widespread mainstream acceptance means that’s not really true anymore.
- zirgs 4y ago
  In other countries it's still kinda "edgy". Yeah - gay pride is allowed and my bank changed its app icon to include rainbow colours. There also are no "LGBT propaganda" laws so gay-friendly pop culture is allowed. (Like movies depicting same sex families) But at the same time gay marriages and civil unions are both illegal. Adoption for gay couples is illegal too. Even if they are performed abroad. The state still treat gay couples as if they were roommates or something.
  - AmericanChopper 4y ago
    The article (and my comments, and I believe the comments I was replying to) are referring to the United States.
    - zirgs 4y ago
      Lots of people are still against gay marriage in the USA. In many states it was legalised against the wishes of the majority. And it can be made illegal again. Just like abortions.
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        The public opinion numbers on this topic have changed drastically over the last two decades. It's an increasingly minority opinion. In 2004 it was 2:1 against same sex marriage. By 2022 it's 6:4 in favor. It's probably outdated to consider opposition to same sex marriage a majority opinion in much of the US. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-legalization-of-same-sex-marriage-is-good-for-society/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-i...
        zirgs 4y ago
        In some states that's not a minority opinion. And the court decision also was kinda flimsy - 5:4 instead of 8:1 or something like that. That 5:4 can become 4:5 in the future. And just like abortions - gay marriage can become illegal in some states again.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        I provided some data for my assertions. You could at least try to back up your state-level claim.
        zirgs 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_mar... In many states support is around ~50%. So opposition to same sex marriage isn't a fringe opinion in a lot of places in the USA. Even in liberal California 33% still don't support it.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        It's not fringe yet, but it is extremely well on the way to being a minority opinion. It already is when you consider the national scope. The states where a majority are still opposed are all states nobody wants to live in for a variety of reasons including poor educational standards and lack of economic development. There might be some relations between these facts. Maybe not. But it is interesting, isn't it? That those are the places where these opinions stick around the longest?
throwaway894345 4y ago
No, but if corporations and cultural elites are all taping nails on their jackets, then punk is no longer counter-cultural.

Sounds like gatekeeping to me. I know LGBT culture generally used to be edgy and underground. But widespread mainstream acceptance means that’s not really true anymore.

zirgs 4y ago
In other countries it's still kinda "edgy". Yeah - gay pride is allowed and my bank changed its app icon to include rainbow colours. There also are no "LGBT propaganda" laws so gay-friendly pop culture is allowed. (Like movies depicting same sex families) But at the same time gay marriages and civil unions are both illegal. Adoption for gay couples is illegal too. Even if they are performed abroad. The state still treat gay couples as if they were roommates or something.
- AmericanChopper 4y ago
  The article (and my comments, and I believe the comments I was replying to) are referring to the United States.
  - zirgs 4y ago
    Lots of people are still against gay marriage in the USA. In many states it was legalised against the wishes of the majority. And it can be made illegal again. Just like abortions.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
      The public opinion numbers on this topic have changed drastically over the last two decades. It's an increasingly minority opinion. In 2004 it was 2:1 against same sex marriage. By 2022 it's 6:4 in favor. It's probably outdated to consider opposition to same sex marriage a majority opinion in much of the US. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-legalization-of-same-sex-marriage-is-good-for-society/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-i...
      - zirgs 4y ago
        In some states that's not a minority opinion. And the court decision also was kinda flimsy - 5:4 instead of 8:1 or something like that. That 5:4 can become 4:5 in the future. And just like abortions - gay marriage can become illegal in some states again.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        I provided some data for my assertions. You could at least try to back up your state-level claim.
        zirgs 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_mar... In many states support is around ~50%. So opposition to same sex marriage isn't a fringe opinion in a lot of places in the USA. Even in liberal California 33% still don't support it.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        It's not fringe yet, but it is extremely well on the way to being a minority opinion. It already is when you consider the national scope. The states where a majority are still opposed are all states nobody wants to live in for a variety of reasons including poor educational standards and lack of economic development. There might be some relations between these facts. Maybe not. But it is interesting, isn't it? That those are the places where these opinions stick around the longest?

throwaway894345 4y ago

No, but if corporations and cultural elites are all taping nails on their jackets, then punk is no longer counter-cultural.