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The voices may be loud online, but it's definitely not "normal" culture.

AmericanChopper 4y ago
My bank decorates rainbow ATMs during pride month. A block away from my house my local council has created a rainbow street crossing. I don’t think it’s possible to get more mainstream than that.
- misnome 4y ago
  Taping a nail to your jacket doesn’t make you Punk.
  - AmericanChopper 4y ago
    Sounds like gatekeeping to me. I know LGBT culture generally used to be edgy and underground. But widespread mainstream acceptance means that’s not really true anymore.
    - zirgs 4y ago
      In other countries it's still kinda "edgy". Yeah - gay pride is allowed and my bank changed its app icon to include rainbow colours. There also are no "LGBT propaganda" laws so gay-friendly pop culture is allowed. (Like movies depicting same sex families) But at the same time gay marriages and civil unions are both illegal. Adoption for gay couples is illegal too. Even if they are performed abroad. The state still treat gay couples as if they were roommates or something.
      - AmericanChopper 4y ago
        The article (and my comments, and I believe the comments I was replying to) are referring to the United States.
        zirgs 4y ago
        Lots of people are still against gay marriage in the USA. In many states it was legalised against the wishes of the majority. And it can be made illegal again. Just like abortions.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        The public opinion numbers on this topic have changed drastically over the last two decades. It's an increasingly minority opinion. In 2004 it was 2:1 against same sex marriage. By 2022 it's 6:4 in favor. It's probably outdated to consider opposition to same sex marriage a majority opinion in much of the US. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-legalization-of-same-sex-marriage-is-good-for-society/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-i...
        zirgs 4y ago
        In some states that's not a minority opinion. And the court decision also was kinda flimsy - 5:4 instead of 8:1 or something like that. That 5:4 can become 4:5 in the future. And just like abortions - gay marriage can become illegal in some states again.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        I provided some data for my assertions. You could at least try to back up your state-level claim.
        zirgs 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_mar... In many states support is around ~50%. So opposition to same sex marriage isn't a fringe opinion in a lot of places in the USA. Even in liberal California 33% still don't support it.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    No, but if corporations and cultural elites are all taping nails on their jackets, then punk is no longer counter-cultural.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  It literally has corporate sponsorship by every Fortune 500 company. Hell most of them won’t even acknowledge Christmas anymore.
  - throwayyy479087 4y ago
    I mentioned this in other comments, but the actual edgy counterculture these days is the tradcath types. They have all the funny memes, they make the media angry, Karens despise them – reminds me a lot of the hippies.
- TheCapeGreek 4y ago
  Sure, but that's a very broad "queer is cool" rather than the more specific ENM, hedonism, etc.

My bank decorates rainbow ATMs during pride month. A block away from my house my local council has created a rainbow street crossing. I don’t think it’s possible to get more mainstream than that.

misnome 4y ago
Taping a nail to your jacket doesn’t make you Punk.
- AmericanChopper 4y ago
  Sounds like gatekeeping to me. I know LGBT culture generally used to be edgy and underground. But widespread mainstream acceptance means that’s not really true anymore.
  - zirgs 4y ago
    In other countries it's still kinda "edgy". Yeah - gay pride is allowed and my bank changed its app icon to include rainbow colours. There also are no "LGBT propaganda" laws so gay-friendly pop culture is allowed. (Like movies depicting same sex families) But at the same time gay marriages and civil unions are both illegal. Adoption for gay couples is illegal too. Even if they are performed abroad. The state still treat gay couples as if they were roommates or something.
    - AmericanChopper 4y ago
      The article (and my comments, and I believe the comments I was replying to) are referring to the United States.
      - zirgs 4y ago
        Lots of people are still against gay marriage in the USA. In many states it was legalised against the wishes of the majority. And it can be made illegal again. Just like abortions.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        The public opinion numbers on this topic have changed drastically over the last two decades. It's an increasingly minority opinion. In 2004 it was 2:1 against same sex marriage. By 2022 it's 6:4 in favor. It's probably outdated to consider opposition to same sex marriage a majority opinion in much of the US. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-legalization-of-same-sex-marriage-is-good-for-society/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/11/15/about-six-i...
        zirgs 4y ago
        In some states that's not a minority opinion. And the court decision also was kinda flimsy - 5:4 instead of 8:1 or something like that. That 5:4 can become 4:5 in the future. And just like abortions - gay marriage can become illegal in some states again.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        I provided some data for my assertions. You could at least try to back up your state-level claim.
        zirgs 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_mar... In many states support is around ~50%. So opposition to same sex marriage isn't a fringe opinion in a lot of places in the USA. Even in liberal California 33% still don't support it.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  No, but if corporations and cultural elites are all taping nails on their jackets, then punk is no longer counter-cultural.
nemo44x 4y ago
It literally has corporate sponsorship by every Fortune 500 company. Hell most of them won’t even acknowledge Christmas anymore.
- throwayyy479087 4y ago
  I mentioned this in other comments, but the actual edgy counterculture these days is the tradcath types. They have all the funny memes, they make the media angry, Karens despise them – reminds me a lot of the hippies.
TheCapeGreek 4y ago
Sure, but that's a very broad "queer is cool" rather than the more specific ENM, hedonism, etc.