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Blaming customers for companies malfeasance must have been one of the greatest deflection tactics ever invented and it saddens me deeply when it gets parroted v

Blaming customers for companies malfeasance must have been one of the greatest deflection tactics ever invented and it saddens me deeply when it gets parroted verbatim by the general populace.

defrost 4y ago
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- avereveard 4y ago
  you trying to hold me personally responsible for other people accountability is at a foundamental level a repeat of the same deflection tactic as expressed above, and warrants a repeat of the same general concept: I do not bear any responsability in the atrocities that far away government allow to be inflicted on their own populace, and I do not profit from them, and the accountability rest on the government of the oppressed population, and they are accountable to the oppressed population and no other. On the other hand, extrapolate your own question to the only logical conclusion, see how it goes. You cannot boicot sweat cobalt, there are not enough "sustainable" mines for that. Option two is either santion these countries into the ground or to invade then and export democracy. Good luck with that, bet their population will be real glad of your help. Your line of thinking is circular, offers no actionable solution, and it's ultimately just a way to distribute guilt moving it from the people actually exploiting the situation to people that have no choice in the matter.
  - defrost 4y ago
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    - avereveard 4y ago
      ...you cannot downvote replies here, you're literally launching baseless accusations.
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  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 4y ago
  You can't attack other users like this, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that break the site guidelines this way. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
macintux 4y ago
I generally agree, but I’ve seen it taken to an extreme when I found someone claiming that a park strewn with trash wasn’t the fault of those who left their trash behind, but instead the companies that use such ecologically unfriendly packaging.
- mulmen 4y ago
  While fault may not be the appropriate term it is true that those companies have an opportunity to reduce trash in a park by changing their packaging.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
I think it is a fair criticism. Individual consumers surely have some culpability, whether they are buying a stolen iPhone or a stolen kidney. I think the mistake people make is treating responsibility as if it is a limited resource and can only be applied to the consumer or the producer.

Blaming customers for companies malfeasance must have been one of the greatest deflection tactics ever invented and it saddens me deeply when it gets parroted verbatim by the general populace.

defrost 4y ago

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avereveard 4y ago
you trying to hold me personally responsible for other people accountability is at a foundamental level a repeat of the same deflection tactic as expressed above, and warrants a repeat of the same general concept: I do not bear any responsability in the atrocities that far away government allow to be inflicted on their own populace, and I do not profit from them, and the accountability rest on the government of the oppressed population, and they are accountable to the oppressed population and no other. On the other hand, extrapolate your own question to the only logical conclusion, see how it goes. You cannot boicot sweat cobalt, there are not enough "sustainable" mines for that. Option two is either santion these countries into the ground or to invade then and export democracy. Good luck with that, bet their population will be real glad of your help. Your line of thinking is circular, offers no actionable solution, and it's ultimately just a way to distribute guilt moving it from the people actually exploiting the situation to people that have no choice in the matter.
- defrost 4y ago
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  - avereveard 4y ago
    ...you cannot downvote replies here, you're literally launching baseless accusations.
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- dang 4y ago
  Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 4y ago
You can't attack other users like this, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that break the site guidelines this way. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

macintux 4y ago

I generally agree, but I’ve seen it taken to an extreme when I found someone claiming that a park strewn with trash wasn’t the fault of those who left their trash behind, but instead the companies that use such ecologically unfriendly packaging.

mulmen 4y ago
While fault may not be the appropriate term it is true that those companies have an opportunity to reduce trash in a park by changing their packaging.

s1artibartfast 4y ago

I think it is a fair criticism. Individual consumers surely have some culpability, whether they are buying a stolen iPhone or a stolen kidney. I think the mistake people make is treating responsibility as if it is a limited resource and can only be applied to the consumer or the producer.