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I thought Trump was a lawyer's nightmare client, and SBF is like, waitup hold all my beers. He's like a walking McSweeney's article.

by vr46 4y ago

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PedroBatista 4y ago
He’s the typical guy with the deep rooted belief that laws do not apply to him and are there to be exploited in order to give him an advantage. Also people are nothing more than pawns. He even exploits his own image to present himself as non-threatening almost incel kid at the bottom of the social pyramid - which is comical when you learn about who he is.
- 55555 4y ago
  He's not an "almost incel"? Sure seems like it. Did he spend a lot of money on hookers or something?
  - piva00 4y ago
    No, he spent a lot of time having orgies fueled by amphetamines with "work" colleagues.
    - pharmakom 4y ago
      The amphetamines were confirmed but no sources for that claim
  - smcl 4y ago
    So "incel" is often interpreted a couple of different ways, you could be referring to either: - The literal definition - "involuntary celebate" - that he didn't have any sexual partners despite wanting to. There was a fairly widely reported story of him and a few of the FTX guys being part of a polycule. No real way for us to prove anything around this, so take from that what you will. This leaves us with... - The vibe of an incel - a socially awkward, introverted, depressed NEET. He doesn't really fit this either, he seemed comfortable talking, wasn't obviously troubled (a little twitchy, but he did a lot of "self-medication" so ...), he had a real job @ Jane Street for a few years before FTX. I don't really think "incel" or even "almost incel" is the right term for him.
    - 55555 4y ago
      You’re right. He doesn’t have the awkwardness. He’s probably actually very confident around beautiful women.
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    - JKCalhoun 4y ago
      Polycule? NEET? I get distracted wondering why my Mc-A-Fee benefaction has expired, why my nortonn subscription has expired ... thinking about Charming Russian Girls, and when I come back to the internet there's a new language I have to learn.
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      - smcl 4y ago
        Neither are strictly "internet" language, but I feel you. Just be glad you're not on TikTok, it seems they have their own language and euphemisms there, and the teens get rather upset if you don't know them: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/01/mascara-accountants-le-dollar-beans-on-tiktok-nothing-means-what-you-think-it-does https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/01/mascar... But to fill you in on these words. While a couple is a relationship involving two people in a (usually) monogamous relationship, a "polycule" involves a few people in non-monogamous relationships. Not my thing, and I've personally seen them explode for reasons that are probably obvious to you or I from the start, but there we go :) NEET is shorthand for "Not involved in Education, Employment or Training" - it's usually a long-term unemployed person who has lost the motivation to try to get out of that situation.
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- ilostmyshoes 4y ago
  Sounds exactly like Trump, minus the difference in the type of image they try to project
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- nullc 4y ago
  You've read the opinion piece his mother wrote that criminals can't be culpable for their actions because free will doesn't exist-- right?
  - tormeh 4y ago
    I also think this. But society still has to be protected from certain kinds of people, so prisons aren’t going away just because you believe this.
    - AlexandrB 4y ago
      Agreed. Even in the most mechanistic view of humans as simply very complex machines, you don't leave the malfunctioning machines running freely to disrupt the overall system. Ideally this perspective would lead to a push for better access to mental health professionals and viewing prison as rehabilitation vs. retribution. However I could see it being used to support things like capital punishment.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    She can ruminate on that when the judge has no free will over the sentence he or she hands down.
  - bena 4y ago
    The response to that argument is pretty much: "Yes, so?" The irony is that if one truly believes that position, then it is also pointless to try and persuade people to also believe it. Because if free will does not exist, then whether or not people are going to hold criminals culpable is also pre-determined. I'm either someone who does or someone who doesn't. Now, if you truly believe that position, then you also can't fault her for writing that piece. Because she was going to do that regardless. She didn't have the choice to not. And it could convince people. Because they were going to be convinced by that argument the minute they came across it. It's turtles all the way down. If free will doesn't exist, nothing actually changes. Because we can't choose to defy our inclinations. So that piece is either written by someone stupid or someone who thinks other people are stupid. Someone moderately intelligent can reason to the turtles and realize that you can't really change people if that were the case. Enough people in the right places just can't be convinced and your work is in vain. So this has to be someone who either doesn't see the full implications of their position. Or doesn't expect anyone else to see it. The first is ignorance. The second is hubris.
- vr46 4y ago
  Or, perhaps, an extreme example of the individualistic human condition that is regularly seen in US business culture: Success: due to my own brilliance Failure: due to environmental factors (Not ragging on America, I love the US, but I do think it celebrates individual achievement at the expense of reality far too much.)

I thought Trump was a lawyer's nightmare client, and SBF is like, waitup hold all my beers. He's like a walking McSweeney's article.

by vr46 4y ago

I thought Trump was a lawyer's nightmare client, and SBF is like, waitup hold all my beers. He's like a walking McSweeney's article.

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PedroBatista 4y ago

He’s the typical guy with the deep rooted belief that laws do not apply to him and are there to be exploited in order to give him an advantage. Also people are nothing more than pawns. He even exploits his own image to present himself as non-threatening almost incel kid at the bottom of the social pyramid - which is comical when you learn about who he is.

55555 4y ago
He's not an "almost incel"? Sure seems like it. Did he spend a lot of money on hookers or something?
- piva00 4y ago
  No, he spent a lot of time having orgies fueled by amphetamines with "work" colleagues.
  - pharmakom 4y ago
    The amphetamines were confirmed but no sources for that claim
- smcl 4y ago
  So "incel" is often interpreted a couple of different ways, you could be referring to either: - The literal definition - "involuntary celebate" - that he didn't have any sexual partners despite wanting to. There was a fairly widely reported story of him and a few of the FTX guys being part of a polycule. No real way for us to prove anything around this, so take from that what you will. This leaves us with... - The vibe of an incel - a socially awkward, introverted, depressed NEET. He doesn't really fit this either, he seemed comfortable talking, wasn't obviously troubled (a little twitchy, but he did a lot of "self-medication" so ...), he had a real job @ Jane Street for a few years before FTX. I don't really think "incel" or even "almost incel" is the right term for him.
  - 55555 4y ago
    You’re right. He doesn’t have the awkwardness. He’s probably actually very confident around beautiful women.
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  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Polycule? NEET? I get distracted wondering why my Mc-A-Fee benefaction has expired, why my nortonn subscription has expired ... thinking about Charming Russian Girls, and when I come back to the internet there's a new language I have to learn.
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    - smcl 4y ago
      Neither are strictly "internet" language, but I feel you. Just be glad you're not on TikTok, it seems they have their own language and euphemisms there, and the teens get rather upset if you don't know them: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/01/mascara-accountants-le-dollar-beans-on-tiktok-nothing-means-what-you-think-it-does https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/01/mascar... But to fill you in on these words. While a couple is a relationship involving two people in a (usually) monogamous relationship, a "polycule" involves a few people in non-monogamous relationships. Not my thing, and I've personally seen them explode for reasons that are probably obvious to you or I from the start, but there we go :) NEET is shorthand for "Not involved in Education, Employment or Training" - it's usually a long-term unemployed person who has lost the motivation to try to get out of that situation.
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ilostmyshoes 4y ago
Sounds exactly like Trump, minus the difference in the type of image they try to project
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nullc 4y ago
You've read the opinion piece his mother wrote that criminals can't be culpable for their actions because free will doesn't exist-- right?
- tormeh 4y ago
  I also think this. But society still has to be protected from certain kinds of people, so prisons aren’t going away just because you believe this.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    Agreed. Even in the most mechanistic view of humans as simply very complex machines, you don't leave the malfunctioning machines running freely to disrupt the overall system. Ideally this perspective would lead to a push for better access to mental health professionals and viewing prison as rehabilitation vs. retribution. However I could see it being used to support things like capital punishment.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  She can ruminate on that when the judge has no free will over the sentence he or she hands down.
- bena 4y ago
  The response to that argument is pretty much: "Yes, so?" The irony is that if one truly believes that position, then it is also pointless to try and persuade people to also believe it. Because if free will does not exist, then whether or not people are going to hold criminals culpable is also pre-determined. I'm either someone who does or someone who doesn't. Now, if you truly believe that position, then you also can't fault her for writing that piece. Because she was going to do that regardless. She didn't have the choice to not. And it could convince people. Because they were going to be convinced by that argument the minute they came across it. It's turtles all the way down. If free will doesn't exist, nothing actually changes. Because we can't choose to defy our inclinations. So that piece is either written by someone stupid or someone who thinks other people are stupid. Someone moderately intelligent can reason to the turtles and realize that you can't really change people if that were the case. Enough people in the right places just can't be convinced and your work is in vain. So this has to be someone who either doesn't see the full implications of their position. Or doesn't expect anyone else to see it. The first is ignorance. The second is hubris.
vr46 4y ago
Or, perhaps, an extreme example of the individualistic human condition that is regularly seen in US business culture: Success: due to my own brilliance Failure: due to environmental factors (Not ragging on America, I love the US, but I do think it celebrates individual achievement at the expense of reality far too much.)