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Such as? I can't think of any examples apart from possibly child-proof caps on medication, but that is serving a slightly different purpose - safety rather than

Such as? I can't think of any examples apart from possibly child-proof caps on medication, but that is serving a slightly different purpose - safety rather than authoritarianism.

cpa 4y ago
I think they were thinking of illegal drugs, which you generally can't possess. Maybe the act of consumption is not illegal per se, though, I'm not sure.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  See side comment. As best as I can see, consumption is not "illegal", except that there are extremely severe legal consequences if any evidence turns up that you've consumed them. It remains to be explained in what sense that fails to constitute being illegal.
  - Semaphor 4y ago
    > except that there are extremely severe legal consequences if any evidence turns up This is a bit of a sidebar, but what consequences? DUI, sure. But in Germany, where consumption (but nothing else, including possession; IANAL, not sure if someone holding a joint to your face to drag on counts as possession) of weed is legal I know of no direct consequences you’d face for having consumed marijuana.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
Heroin, cocaine, opium, marijuana, methamphetamine, MDMA, LSD... Interestingly, the legal structure around these substances apparently avoids banning consumption, limiting itself to banning the obtaining or possession of the substance. But it's worth noting that consumption itself is also prohibited, just without a firm textual basis. For example, if you give birth in a hospital, you will be tested for the presence of illegal drugs in your bloodstream (your consent is not required for this), and if you test positive, your child will be automatically confiscated.
- ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
  I was more meaning a technological intervention that prevented underage people from being able to use/consume something. Controlled substances are controlled through a legal framework although admittedly, some of the precursors to drugs are also banned which could count as a technological block on making them. I have never heard of a confiscated child due to the parent having cannabis in their bloodstream - have you any source?
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    I doubt that particular consequence applies to cannabis. It does apply to other prohibited drugs.
    - ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
      I have never heard of a confiscated child due to the parent having cocaine in their bloodstream - have you any source?
      - thaumasiotes 4y ago
        https://web.archive.org/web/20140323232018/https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/03/6/gr030603.html https://web.archive.org/web/20140323232018/https://www.guttm...

Such as? I can't think of any examples apart from possibly child-proof caps on medication, but that is serving a slightly different purpose - safety rather than authoritarianism.

cpa 4y ago

I think they were thinking of illegal drugs, which you generally can't possess. Maybe the act of consumption is not illegal per se, though, I'm not sure.

thaumasiotes 4y ago
See side comment. As best as I can see, consumption is not "illegal", except that there are extremely severe legal consequences if any evidence turns up that you've consumed them. It remains to be explained in what sense that fails to constitute being illegal.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  > except that there are extremely severe legal consequences if any evidence turns up This is a bit of a sidebar, but what consequences? DUI, sure. But in Germany, where consumption (but nothing else, including possession; IANAL, not sure if someone holding a joint to your face to drag on counts as possession) of weed is legal I know of no direct consequences you’d face for having consumed marijuana.

thaumasiotes 4y ago

Heroin, cocaine, opium, marijuana, methamphetamine, MDMA, LSD... Interestingly, the legal structure around these substances apparently avoids banning consumption, limiting itself to banning the obtaining or possession of the substance. But it's worth noting that consumption itself is also prohibited, just without a firm textual basis. For example, if you give birth in a hospital, you will be tested for the presence of illegal drugs in your bloodstream (your consent is not required for this), and if you test positive, your child will be automatically confiscated.

ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
I was more meaning a technological intervention that prevented underage people from being able to use/consume something. Controlled substances are controlled through a legal framework although admittedly, some of the precursors to drugs are also banned which could count as a technological block on making them. I have never heard of a confiscated child due to the parent having cannabis in their bloodstream - have you any source?
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  I doubt that particular consequence applies to cannabis. It does apply to other prohibited drugs.
  - ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
    I have never heard of a confiscated child due to the parent having cocaine in their bloodstream - have you any source?
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      https://web.archive.org/web/20140323232018/https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/03/6/gr030603.html https://web.archive.org/web/20140323232018/https://www.guttm...