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I appreciate the willingness to give them a shout out, by name. Not the first time I've had a brush with Rio Tinto.
by sounds 4y ago
I appreciate the willingness to give them a shout out, by name.
Not the first time I've had a brush with Rio Tinto.
- defrost 4y agoYeah, they certainly FUBAR'd and lost brownie points when they blew up Juukan Gorge. Let's not forget they're sitting on $64 billion US worth of Copper in the US on native lands either.
- flangola7 4y agoAlso having a labor mass murder in their name
- defrost 4y agoSlave labor under the Romans at Rio Tinto from 206 BCE onwards for two hundred years, or the 1888 Zalamea massacre, or the still linguring toxic legacy of the Panguna mine in PNG? It's such a persistent ongoing problem with mining that I'm personally more inclined to blame the collective detached nature of consumers that demand products and yet turn a blind eye to the sourcing of that which they demand.
- avereveard 4y agoBlaming customers for companies malfeasance must have been one of the greatest deflection tactics ever invented and it saddens me deeply when it gets parroted verbatim by the general populace.
- defrost 4y ago[flagged]
- avereveard 4y agoyou trying to hold me personally responsible for other people accountability is at a foundamental level a repeat of the same deflection tactic as expressed above, and warrants a repeat of the same general concept: I do not bear any responsability in the atrocities that far away government allow to be inflicted on their own populace, and I do not profit from them, and the accountability rest on the government of the oppressed population, and they are accountable to the oppressed population and no other. On the other hand, extrapolate your own question to the only logical conclusion, see how it goes. You cannot boicot sweat cobalt, there are not enough "sustainable" mines for that. Option two is either santion these countries into the ground or to invade then and export democracy. Good luck with that, bet their population will be real glad of your help. Your line of thinking is circular, offers no actionable solution, and it's ultimately just a way to distribute guilt moving it from the people actually exploiting the situation to people that have no choice in the matter.
- defrost 4y ago[flagged]
- avereveard 4y ago...you cannot downvote replies here, you're literally launching baseless accusations.
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- macintux 4y agoI generally agree, but I’ve seen it taken to an extreme when I found someone claiming that a park strewn with trash wasn’t the fault of those who left their trash behind, but instead the companies that use such ecologically unfriendly packaging.
- mulmen 4y agoWhile fault may not be the appropriate term it is true that those companies have an opportunity to reduce trash in a park by changing their packaging.
- s1artibartfast 4y agoI think it is a fair criticism. Individual consumers surely have some culpability, whether they are buying a stolen iPhone or a stolen kidney. I think the mistake people make is treating responsibility as if it is a limited resource and can only be applied to the consumer or the producer.
- flangola7 4y agoThe guns in 1888 didn't pull those triggers by themselves. Shifting blame to regular people only serves to further insulate corporations from the harms and costs they have externalized, and we should be vigilant to make sure we are not enabling them.
- Gravityloss 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juukan_Gorge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juukan_Gorge Today I learned.
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- freeqaz 4y agoHoly crap! > "The gorge is known primarily for a cave that was the only inland site in Australia with evidence of continuous human occupation for over 46,000 years, including through the last Ice Age. The cave was permanently destroyed by mining company Rio Tinto in May 2020." And > "On 11 September 2020, it was announced that, as a result of the destruction at Juukan Gorge, CEO Jean-Sebastien Jacques and two other Rio Tinto executives would step down." That's good at least. Thank you for sharing