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We cant build F-22's anymore. What we have are all there will ever be.

by wonderwonder 4y ago

WirelessGigabit 4y ago
Can you elaborate on that?
- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
  They're really expensive so the US cancelled the remaining production.
- deleted 4y ago
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- whalesalad 4y ago
  Production was ended for a lot of reasons, but the program still exists in a support role. They're deployed in active duty and are upgraded/retrofitted with modern technology.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Most / All of the infrastructure built to build the F-22 has been cannabalized to build the F-35. The production machinery and factories for the most part just don't exist anymore and would have to be rebuilt.
- wolverine876 4y ago
  In the 2000s, US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates cancelled the program. IIRC Gates concluded - and many agreed - that the F-22 was designed for an enemy and fight that no longer existed, the Soviet Union and the Cold War. You might think history proved Gates wrong, but no air power can compete with what the US has now, sans the F-22, and it would have been very expensive.
  - rnk 4y ago
    I assume gates et al weren't foreseeing the rapid rise of china then. That plus the seemingly rapid advance of drones must make it difficult to plan the last few years.
    - wolverine876 4y ago
      Even if they did foresee it, buying expensive F-22's in the 2000s seems a mistake. The US would have had 20 year old planes (though still technologically advanced), designed for the wrong fight. It's such an issue that the Air Force is now working to retire their F-22's. For example, a war with China, if it happened, would be most expected around Taiwan; how would F-22's reach the fight? There are no airbases nearby, except on Taiwan which would be innundated with missile attacks. The F-22 doesn't fly from aircraft carriers (which are imperiled by China's missiles regardless). The US needs a longer-range fighter in the Pacific, to cover the vast territory without bases. Also, the F-22 afaik doesn't integrate with the new network-oriented joint force, where every asset is a sensor and node on the network, all sharing and a view of the battlefield. It doesn't integrate with 'wingman' drones, now the concept for at least part of the Air Force, where human-piloted planes control several drones. Instead, the US spent that money elsewhere at the time, getting a better return on investment, remains in the lead now (with F-35's), is building a bomber for the China contest (B-21's), and designing a new fighter.
  - nix23 4y ago
    >F-22 was designed for an enemy and fight that no longer existed, the Soviet Union and the Cold War. True, same with the Seawolf-Class Sub's, just too expensive for the "now"-state. However i think with china, the US has to go back to the far-ahead-tec doctrine....fast...
jandrewrogers 4y ago
The F-22 replacement is already under active development. The F-22 was a pretty radical departure from what came before it, and I think it served as a prototype for all the subsequent next generation platforms from which many things were learned. As good as it was, you aren't going to get everything right the first time and technology progresses.

We cant build F-22's anymore. What we have are all there will ever be.

WirelessGigabit 4y ago

Can you elaborate on that?

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
They're really expensive so the US cancelled the remaining production.
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whalesalad 4y ago
Production was ended for a lot of reasons, but the program still exists in a support role. They're deployed in active duty and are upgraded/retrofitted with modern technology.
wonderwonder 4y ago
Most / All of the infrastructure built to build the F-22 has been cannabalized to build the F-35. The production machinery and factories for the most part just don't exist anymore and would have to be rebuilt.
wolverine876 4y ago
In the 2000s, US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates cancelled the program. IIRC Gates concluded - and many agreed - that the F-22 was designed for an enemy and fight that no longer existed, the Soviet Union and the Cold War. You might think history proved Gates wrong, but no air power can compete with what the US has now, sans the F-22, and it would have been very expensive.
- rnk 4y ago
  I assume gates et al weren't foreseeing the rapid rise of china then. That plus the seemingly rapid advance of drones must make it difficult to plan the last few years.
  - wolverine876 4y ago
    Even if they did foresee it, buying expensive F-22's in the 2000s seems a mistake. The US would have had 20 year old planes (though still technologically advanced), designed for the wrong fight. It's such an issue that the Air Force is now working to retire their F-22's. For example, a war with China, if it happened, would be most expected around Taiwan; how would F-22's reach the fight? There are no airbases nearby, except on Taiwan which would be innundated with missile attacks. The F-22 doesn't fly from aircraft carriers (which are imperiled by China's missiles regardless). The US needs a longer-range fighter in the Pacific, to cover the vast territory without bases. Also, the F-22 afaik doesn't integrate with the new network-oriented joint force, where every asset is a sensor and node on the network, all sharing and a view of the battlefield. It doesn't integrate with 'wingman' drones, now the concept for at least part of the Air Force, where human-piloted planes control several drones. Instead, the US spent that money elsewhere at the time, getting a better return on investment, remains in the lead now (with F-35's), is building a bomber for the China contest (B-21's), and designing a new fighter.
- nix23 4y ago
  >F-22 was designed for an enemy and fight that no longer existed, the Soviet Union and the Cold War. True, same with the Seawolf-Class Sub's, just too expensive for the "now"-state. However i think with china, the US has to go back to the far-ahead-tec doctrine....fast...

jandrewrogers 4y ago

The F-22 replacement is already under active development. The F-22 was a pretty radical departure from what came before it, and I think it served as a prototype for all the subsequent next generation platforms from which many things were learned. As good as it was, you aren't going to get everything right the first time and technology progresses.