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Yeah... Go read up on the news wrt the NHS of late here in the UK

by nly 4y ago

BEEdwards 4y ago
Yeah sabotage works...
defrost 4y ago
A fine example of how twelve years of continuous conservative party rule can gut and drive into the ground what was once a beacon of national health that the world looked to for reference.
- brailsafe 4y ago
  Here in Canada we've had 8 years of continuous Liberal administration and our healthcare system is probably doing just as poorly. Not that we'd trade it for the U.S system
  - 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
    I was put on the list for a procedure in the Australian system. Took well over a year of waiting to eventually get a call to schedule it. But I could afford it through private health insurance, so I had already had it. But I‘d rather an inefficient system that manages to treat some people that can’t afford procedures.
  - wk_end 4y ago
    Health care in Canada is a responsibility of the provinces, so the guy in Ottawa is to some extent irrelevant. Although in BC we've had an NDP government for five years and it's not like things are doing so hot.
    - deskamess 4y ago
      Similarly, the conservative in ON is hell bent on making sure private systems are in play. At this point I just want something to work and be accessible. So if private can take the load off the public system where possible then let it happen. There are serious concerns about healthcare staff moving out of the public system if that happens but I am not expecting Ford to increase provincial health care spending.
      - brailsafe 4y ago
        I like J.J Mucullough's video on that
- blibble 4y ago
  no-one has ever looked at the NHS as a reference to be copied, it is a unique system worldwide it is one of the worlds largest employers but has essentially no economies of scale due to its structure an example: until very recently it had no centralised procurement: trusts fought each other for resources (with its suppliers benefiting enormously) it is exceptional and efficient at treatment if your condition(s) slot neatly into its "production line", but god help you otherwise (but it's still vastly, vastly preferable to the US system which is an embarrassment for the richest nation on earth)
  - defrost 4y ago
    > no-one has ever looked at the NHS as a reference to be copied You added "to be copied". Many countries (eg: Canada, Australia, other Commonwealth countries) have looked to the NHS as a reference, both for the intial launching of their own national health services and for ongoing comparison as the decades have passed. Australia has a hybrid health care system that works better than the US system, it was built with reference to several other global health care systems and is still modified to this day. Much as Australia has a "Washminster" system of government that was designed with reference to both Washingtond and to Westminster.
    - blibble 4y ago
      > You added "to be copied". well, if you are going to be that pedantic: I agree it definitely serves as a reference ... on how not to structure your health service
      - defrost 4y ago
        Pedantic is splitting hairs over choosing near identical shades of biege. You altered the meaning of what I wrote by adding "to be copied". Own it, don't throw that on me.
- geomark 4y ago
  I'm not from the UK and don't have a horse in the race, but a lot of people from the UK have been coming to where I live (Thailand) to receive medical care since I have lived here (more than 20 years) to escape the wait times. The few I spoke with definitely did not call NHS a beacon. My few conversations are certainly anecdotal. However, the numbers of UK medical tourists isn't; it was around 4,000 in 2010 and estimated to be around that number each year, according to this paper [1], although it acknowledges the number is underestimated. [1] https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1744-8603-10-29 https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10...
  - defrost 4y ago
    I over simplified - the recent 12 years of UK conservatives have been really sticking the knife to the UK's NHS .. but it already had problems from prior rounds of UK conservative governance ... I suspect Thatcher started the trend as she was such a fan of privatised benefits at with socialised costs.
- tharne 4y ago
  > A fine example of how twelve years of continuous conservative party rule can gut and drive into the ground what was once a beacon of national health that the world looked to for reference. And this right here is the exact reason why Americans have resisted national healthcare. Do you see the kind of people we regularly elect to the presidency and to congress? As bad as our healthcare system is, something tells me that turning it over to our government would only make things worse.
olliej 4y ago
I know, when you have a bunch of conservative governments that have explicitly stated that hate nationalized healthcare, they can do a lot of damage to it. Also, I really don’t think when people are complaining about the NHS in the UK that for the majority of them the US system would be at best no better, for many would be worse, and for all would be more expensive.

Yeah... Go read up on the news wrt the NHS of late here in the UK

by nly 4y ago

Yeah... Go read up on the news wrt the NHS of late here in the UK

BEEdwards 4y ago

Yeah sabotage works...

defrost 4y ago

A fine example of how twelve years of continuous conservative party rule can gut and drive into the ground what was once a beacon of national health that the world looked to for reference.

brailsafe 4y ago
Here in Canada we've had 8 years of continuous Liberal administration and our healthcare system is probably doing just as poorly. Not that we'd trade it for the U.S system
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  I was put on the list for a procedure in the Australian system. Took well over a year of waiting to eventually get a call to schedule it. But I could afford it through private health insurance, so I had already had it. But I‘d rather an inefficient system that manages to treat some people that can’t afford procedures.
- wk_end 4y ago
  Health care in Canada is a responsibility of the provinces, so the guy in Ottawa is to some extent irrelevant. Although in BC we've had an NDP government for five years and it's not like things are doing so hot.
  - deskamess 4y ago
    Similarly, the conservative in ON is hell bent on making sure private systems are in play. At this point I just want something to work and be accessible. So if private can take the load off the public system where possible then let it happen. There are serious concerns about healthcare staff moving out of the public system if that happens but I am not expecting Ford to increase provincial health care spending.
    - brailsafe 4y ago
      I like J.J Mucullough's video on that
blibble 4y ago
no-one has ever looked at the NHS as a reference to be copied, it is a unique system worldwide it is one of the worlds largest employers but has essentially no economies of scale due to its structure an example: until very recently it had no centralised procurement: trusts fought each other for resources (with its suppliers benefiting enormously) it is exceptional and efficient at treatment if your condition(s) slot neatly into its "production line", but god help you otherwise (but it's still vastly, vastly preferable to the US system which is an embarrassment for the richest nation on earth)
- defrost 4y ago
  > no-one has ever looked at the NHS as a reference to be copied You added "to be copied". Many countries (eg: Canada, Australia, other Commonwealth countries) have looked to the NHS as a reference, both for the intial launching of their own national health services and for ongoing comparison as the decades have passed. Australia has a hybrid health care system that works better than the US system, it was built with reference to several other global health care systems and is still modified to this day. Much as Australia has a "Washminster" system of government that was designed with reference to both Washingtond and to Westminster.
  - blibble 4y ago
    > You added "to be copied". well, if you are going to be that pedantic: I agree it definitely serves as a reference ... on how not to structure your health service
    - defrost 4y ago
      Pedantic is splitting hairs over choosing near identical shades of biege. You altered the meaning of what I wrote by adding "to be copied". Own it, don't throw that on me.
geomark 4y ago
I'm not from the UK and don't have a horse in the race, but a lot of people from the UK have been coming to where I live (Thailand) to receive medical care since I have lived here (more than 20 years) to escape the wait times. The few I spoke with definitely did not call NHS a beacon. My few conversations are certainly anecdotal. However, the numbers of UK medical tourists isn't; it was around 4,000 in 2010 and estimated to be around that number each year, according to this paper [1], although it acknowledges the number is underestimated. [1] https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1744-8603-10-29 https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10...
- defrost 4y ago
  I over simplified - the recent 12 years of UK conservatives have been really sticking the knife to the UK's NHS .. but it already had problems from prior rounds of UK conservative governance ... I suspect Thatcher started the trend as she was such a fan of privatised benefits at with socialised costs.
tharne 4y ago
> A fine example of how twelve years of continuous conservative party rule can gut and drive into the ground what was once a beacon of national health that the world looked to for reference. And this right here is the exact reason why Americans have resisted national healthcare. Do you see the kind of people we regularly elect to the presidency and to congress? As bad as our healthcare system is, something tells me that turning it over to our government would only make things worse.

olliej 4y ago

I know, when you have a bunch of conservative governments that have explicitly stated that hate nationalized healthcare, they can do a lot of damage to it. Also, I really don’t think when people are complaining about the NHS in the UK that for the majority of them the US system would be at best no better, for many would be worse, and for all would be more expensive.