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Firearms channels embrace Rumble as YouTube starts censoring videos

50 points by mikece 4y ago

legitster 4y ago
The Forgotten Weapons strike is the most brazen one. As a rule the channel is completely apolitical, and he covers guns purely in an informational or educational context. I guess from Youtube's perspective - simply acknowledging that something exists is too controversial for the platform. I can get that Youtube doesn't want domestic terrorist training videos up on the site, but it seems they have to at least acknowledge that you shouldn't really ban people doing perfectly legal things.
aaron695 4y ago
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COGlory 4y ago
>He said that his YouTube representative told him that going forward, firearms creators will get a strike and have videos removed if they: >Insert magazines that are greater than 30 rounds into a firearm >“Modify” firearms (YouTube’s definition of “modifying” includes installing accessories such as lights, hand guards, optics, and silencers This makes no sense. I don't know of any municipality that bans > 30rd magazines. There are many that ban > 10, but who is banning > 30??? Also, you can posses the magazine, you can film yourself in possession of it, but you cannot insert it into the gun? That doesn't make sense. Obvious political moves that they are trying to shoehorn into some sort of coherent policy after the fact. Also, while much of gun YouTube is quite cringey, (I say this as someone who owns > a dozen guns), going after Forgotten Weapons is laughable. He is not political in any way. He's solely an extremely professional, extremely thorough historian, with higher quality, more wholesome content than 99.9% of Youtube. Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage?
- yucky 4y ago
  > Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage? No, of course not. There is no reason to expect consistency from an illogical policy.
- ehnto 4y ago
  I am not pro-guns for civillians (I live in Australia, different society, different discussion), but I do love the engineering and I really enjoy Forgotten Weapons. That someone could watch the gratuitous violence in action films but not be allowed to watch a calm demonstration of the engineering and history of firearms is just hypocrisy. No different to banning books of historical significance because you don't like the content. It's also frustrating that these policies are so often retroactively applied. Add all this onto an entirely non-functional music and copyright system and YouTube has become very antagonistic to creators. It is not just that their policies are getting worse, it's also just very difficult to comply, and even when you comply you still get sent through the automated flag systems once in a while.
- 34611 4y ago
  > Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage? Rules do not apply to establishment corporate entities. You can find SNL sketches that use the N word on youtube. Youtube rents videos on their platform that has racist, etc language. Late night "comedy" shows could use vulgar terms/jokes without getting demonetized, banned, etc. It's just you can't. It's about reigning in the voice of the little guys and protecting corporate interests. Remember when youtube was about giving a platform to "you" - the little guys? The funny thing is that these guys support banning tiktok and giving youtube a greater monopoly. They, of all people, should be demanding more options. Where are they going to go once rumble does the same thing. After all, rumble is controlled by the same interests that control youtube. SNL skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEBBwJdjhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEBBwJdjhQ
richwater 4y ago
Big Business advances government interests. I'm not surprised. This current administration is brazenly anti-2A and pushing corporations to get in line or feel the squeeze.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Google has strayed so far from their original "Don't be Evil" motto. I wonder if Sergei and Larry are embarrassed about it. They should be, but I think it's more likely they just don't care.
  - DLA 4y ago
    Well said! This is purely those in control of a platform imparting their views on users because they can. The challenge is (one of the challenges) is the “rules” change on the fly for no particular reason or some contrived reason citing “safety” or … your guess is as good as mine. Maybe next week it will be a ban on drones with more the 6 motors doing “risky” maneuvers or pit pull dogs because they are “dangerous” (silly example: dog owner; dogs aren’t dangerous, stupid owners that don’t train, socialize, handle K9s properly are) or home made ice cream making because sugar is bad for you. I mean where does this end? These decisions should be more community powered, IMO.
  - kderbyma 4y ago
    They are not role models anymore. Billionaires are all rotten. the power corrupts them every single time. These two lost their souls long ago
- kosherhurricane 4y ago
  Or maybe, just maybe, Google is responding to the recent string of mass shootings.
  - alphanullmeric 4y ago
    I wonder if people like you support anything other than the redistribution of consequences. Seems like bread and butter at this point.
IronWolve 4y ago
When a policy is created to push an agenda and ban legal content and yt is basically a monopoly (android), maybe it should lose its ability to censor content they dont like, as long as its legal.
i67vw3 4y ago
Odysee is also a good choice 'along' with Rumble. As far as I know, Odysee also has many 3D printed gun manufacturing channels with design specs posted on odysee itself. As Odysee deals with Video, Audio, Image, Text Files it becomes easier for 3D printed gun channels. https://odysee.com/@Print2A:1 https://odysee.com/@Print2A:1 https://odysee.com/@nameisnight:3 https://odysee.com/@nameisnight:3
_boffin_ 4y ago
This is where image recognition and automatic submissions of infractions against large companies, US Military, news, White House, movie studios, etc… might be warranted. All these channels show varying content that’s described in the article.
- brokenmachine 4y ago
  Of course corporations will be exempt.
brokenmachine 4y ago
So I presume almost every hollywood movie trailer will be banned now? HAHAHA of course not! Rules for thee.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  I'm not sure how these rules would apply to movie magazines though, it really depends on how you treat infinity mathematically, are Hollywood magazines positive infinity or negative infinity capacity?
timcavel 4y ago
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JoeyBananas 4y ago
The weird thing about this ban is that it applies to extremely specific actions. The creators have to do things like blur out suppressors like their penises, but only when they are being attached to the barrel

50 points by mikece 4y ago

The Forgotten Weapons strike is the most brazen one. As a rule the channel is completely apolitical, and he covers guns purely in an informational or educational context. I guess from Youtube's perspective - simply acknowledging that something exists is too controversial for the platform. I can get that Youtube doesn't want domestic terrorist training videos up on the site, but it seems they have to at least acknowledge that you shouldn't really ban people doing perfectly legal things.

aaron695 4y ago

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COGlory 4y ago

>He said that his YouTube representative told him that going forward, firearms creators will get a strike and have videos removed if they: >Insert magazines that are greater than 30 rounds into a firearm >“Modify” firearms (YouTube’s definition of “modifying” includes installing accessories such as lights, hand guards, optics, and silencers This makes no sense. I don't know of any municipality that bans > 30rd magazines. There are many that ban > 10, but who is banning > 30??? Also, you can posses the magazine, you can film yourself in possession of it, but you cannot insert it into the gun? That doesn't make sense. Obvious political moves that they are trying to shoehorn into some sort of coherent policy after the fact. Also, while much of gun YouTube is quite cringey, (I say this as someone who owns > a dozen guns), going after Forgotten Weapons is laughable. He is not political in any way. He's solely an extremely professional, extremely thorough historian, with higher quality, more wholesome content than 99.9% of Youtube. Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage?

yucky 4y ago
> Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage? No, of course not. There is no reason to expect consistency from an illogical policy.
ehnto 4y ago
I am not pro-guns for civillians (I live in Australia, different society, different discussion), but I do love the engineering and I really enjoy Forgotten Weapons. That someone could watch the gratuitous violence in action films but not be allowed to watch a calm demonstration of the engineering and history of firearms is just hypocrisy. No different to banning books of historical significance because you don't like the content. It's also frustrating that these policies are so often retroactively applied. Add all this onto an entirely non-functional music and copyright system and YouTube has become very antagonistic to creators. It is not just that their policies are getting worse, it's also just very difficult to comply, and even when you comply you still get sent through the automated flag systems once in a while.
34611 4y ago
> Also also: are movie trailers that depict a gun being loaded with a > 30 rd magazine now banned? Or movie trailers that show any kind of modified weapon? How about video game footage? Rules do not apply to establishment corporate entities. You can find SNL sketches that use the N word on youtube. Youtube rents videos on their platform that has racist, etc language. Late night "comedy" shows could use vulgar terms/jokes without getting demonetized, banned, etc. It's just you can't. It's about reigning in the voice of the little guys and protecting corporate interests. Remember when youtube was about giving a platform to "you" - the little guys? The funny thing is that these guys support banning tiktok and giving youtube a greater monopoly. They, of all people, should be demanding more options. Where are they going to go once rumble does the same thing. After all, rumble is controlled by the same interests that control youtube. SNL skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEBBwJdjhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuEBBwJdjhQ

richwater 4y ago

Big Business advances government interests. I'm not surprised. This current administration is brazenly anti-2A and pushing corporations to get in line or feel the squeeze.

TechBro8615 4y ago
Google has strayed so far from their original "Don't be Evil" motto. I wonder if Sergei and Larry are embarrassed about it. They should be, but I think it's more likely they just don't care.
- DLA 4y ago
  Well said! This is purely those in control of a platform imparting their views on users because they can. The challenge is (one of the challenges) is the “rules” change on the fly for no particular reason or some contrived reason citing “safety” or … your guess is as good as mine. Maybe next week it will be a ban on drones with more the 6 motors doing “risky” maneuvers or pit pull dogs because they are “dangerous” (silly example: dog owner; dogs aren’t dangerous, stupid owners that don’t train, socialize, handle K9s properly are) or home made ice cream making because sugar is bad for you. I mean where does this end? These decisions should be more community powered, IMO.
- kderbyma 4y ago
  They are not role models anymore. Billionaires are all rotten. the power corrupts them every single time. These two lost their souls long ago
kosherhurricane 4y ago
Or maybe, just maybe, Google is responding to the recent string of mass shootings.
- alphanullmeric 4y ago
  I wonder if people like you support anything other than the redistribution of consequences. Seems like bread and butter at this point.

IronWolve 4y ago

When a policy is created to push an agenda and ban legal content and yt is basically a monopoly (android), maybe it should lose its ability to censor content they dont like, as long as its legal.

i67vw3 4y ago

Odysee is also a good choice 'along' with Rumble. As far as I know, Odysee also has many 3D printed gun manufacturing channels with design specs posted on odysee itself. As Odysee deals with Video, Audio, Image, Text Files it becomes easier for 3D printed gun channels. https://odysee.com/@Print2A:1 https://odysee.com/@Print2A:1 https://odysee.com/@nameisnight:3 https://odysee.com/@nameisnight:3

_boffin_ 4y ago

This is where image recognition and automatic submissions of infractions against large companies, US Military, news, White House, movie studios, etc… might be warranted. All these channels show varying content that’s described in the article.

brokenmachine 4y ago
Of course corporations will be exempt.

brokenmachine 4y ago

So I presume almost every hollywood movie trailer will be banned now? HAHAHA of course not! Rules for thee.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
I'm not sure how these rules would apply to movie magazines though, it really depends on how you treat infinity mathematically, are Hollywood magazines positive infinity or negative infinity capacity?

timcavel 4y ago

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JoeyBananas 4y ago

The weird thing about this ban is that it applies to extremely specific actions. The creators have to do things like blur out suppressors like their penises, but only when they are being attached to the barrel