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Talk about lacking nuance. Health isn't binary: alive or dead. Something like one in three people will get cancer at some point. It's possible endocrine disr

Talk about lacking nuance. Health isn't binary: alive or dead. Something like one in three people will get cancer at some point. It's possible endocrine disruptors contribute to that rare.

lazide 4y ago
Something kills us eventually. Heart attacks, accidents, violence, disease, cancer, etc. Reduce one major cause (violence) or two or three (accidents, disease), and voila - the other elements take over their portions of the pie. That an all the nuke testing fallout, tire dust, random nasty crap, etc.
- withinboredom 4y ago
  I don’t know about you, but I’d rather die healthy at a ripe old age than at 40 from some stupid plastic.
  - lazide 4y ago
    That’s the opposite of what is going on. Would you rather die at 40 from a poorly designed car steering wheel that impales you in a 20mph accident, or get machine gunned in a trench when you’re 19, or live to 80 and die from an old age disease - like cancer, heart disease, or Alzheimer’s? Because the only thing that’s inevitable is it will eventually be something. And the stats show the current set of active ‘somethings’ at play. Plastic or not may move one of the needles a few percent one way or another, but unless there is an epidemic of choking-on-plastic-bottles, it’s in the noise.
    - withinboredom 4y ago
      I wouldn’t put it past the next generation to come up with a bottle swallowing challenge… It will be something, I’m not arguing that. It comes down to preferences and our collective ability to pick one to stop from happening. Eventually, we will all die from old age or accidents. I don’t see that happening in anyone’s current lifetime though.
      - lazide 4y ago
        People have dealt with far worse than what we’ve got going on now, and most of them still died of old age and accidents - depending on what you define old age and accidents being of course. Cancer survival rates and overall incidence rates are pretty good in the US, and frankly seem to have zero correspondence with use of plastic. It’s also predominantly older folks. I’ve seen data that indicates it’s nearly certain for a man to get prostate cancer if he gets old enough, for instance. Denmark and Hungary being near the top of the list - https://www.wcrf.org/cancer-trends/global-cancer-data-by-country/ https://www.wcrf.org/cancer-trends/global-cancer-data-by-cou...
- taskforcegemini 4y ago
  You sound like saying we shouldn't care about any of those factors because other factors exist. I feel like that attitude is exactly why most of those factors exist in the first place. Just because there is a chance you might not suffer from the consequences doesn't mean there aren't any for other people (or animals, plants etc)
  - lazide 4y ago
    Nope! We tackle what we can, and we end up with the rest. And there is always something left, fundamentally.

Talk about lacking nuance. Health isn't binary: alive or dead. Something like one in three people will get cancer at some point. It's possible endocrine disruptors contribute to that rare.

lazide 4y ago

Something kills us eventually. Heart attacks, accidents, violence, disease, cancer, etc. Reduce one major cause (violence) or two or three (accidents, disease), and voila - the other elements take over their portions of the pie. That an all the nuke testing fallout, tire dust, random nasty crap, etc.

withinboredom 4y ago
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather die healthy at a ripe old age than at 40 from some stupid plastic.
- lazide 4y ago
  That’s the opposite of what is going on. Would you rather die at 40 from a poorly designed car steering wheel that impales you in a 20mph accident, or get machine gunned in a trench when you’re 19, or live to 80 and die from an old age disease - like cancer, heart disease, or Alzheimer’s? Because the only thing that’s inevitable is it will eventually be something. And the stats show the current set of active ‘somethings’ at play. Plastic or not may move one of the needles a few percent one way or another, but unless there is an epidemic of choking-on-plastic-bottles, it’s in the noise.
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    I wouldn’t put it past the next generation to come up with a bottle swallowing challenge… It will be something, I’m not arguing that. It comes down to preferences and our collective ability to pick one to stop from happening. Eventually, we will all die from old age or accidents. I don’t see that happening in anyone’s current lifetime though.
    - lazide 4y ago
      People have dealt with far worse than what we’ve got going on now, and most of them still died of old age and accidents - depending on what you define old age and accidents being of course. Cancer survival rates and overall incidence rates are pretty good in the US, and frankly seem to have zero correspondence with use of plastic. It’s also predominantly older folks. I’ve seen data that indicates it’s nearly certain for a man to get prostate cancer if he gets old enough, for instance. Denmark and Hungary being near the top of the list - https://www.wcrf.org/cancer-trends/global-cancer-data-by-country/ https://www.wcrf.org/cancer-trends/global-cancer-data-by-cou...
taskforcegemini 4y ago
You sound like saying we shouldn't care about any of those factors because other factors exist. I feel like that attitude is exactly why most of those factors exist in the first place. Just because there is a chance you might not suffer from the consequences doesn't mean there aren't any for other people (or animals, plants etc)
- lazide 4y ago
  Nope! We tackle what we can, and we end up with the rest. And there is always something left, fundamentally.