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Usual PR spin from a "research and policy consulting group". They adding things like the cost of your home charging equipment, which should be factored into th

Usual PR spin from a "research and policy consulting group". They adding things like the cost of your home charging equipment, which should be factored into the cost of the car rather than the cost of driving. "Opportunity cost" for your time spent driving to and from charging stations, etc etc. I can't imagine anyone using common sense would believe this based on their experience of driving an EV.

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josephcsible 4y ago
> "Opportunity cost" for your time spent driving to and from charging stations, etc etc. This is particularly dishonest since if you're like most EV owners who charge at home, you spend less time driving to public chargers than ICE owners do driving to gas stations.
- Our_Benefactors 4y ago
  Hundreds of millions of people own a car and park them in public or semi-public areas that don’t have charging infrastructure. There is a massive opportunity cost to charging for these people, and that needs to be factored in to large-scale studies like this.
  - pedalpete 4y ago
    There are 2 problems with this argument. 1) There aren't hundreds of millions of electrics cars, so unless you're projecting to the future (possible) the argument doesn't hold water. If you are projecting, you also would need to project the change that charging facilities will grow as adoption increases. 2) I'm not sure where you are based, but when I was in the US, charging infrastructure was built into the parking lots where people regularly stop. Grocery store, shopping malls, etc etc. So for these people, charging is more convenient than a gas station, as the car charges itself while you do what you need to do. When at a gas station, I have to stay with the car while it refuels.
    - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
      1) There aren't hundreds of millions of electrics cars, so unless you're projecting to the future (possible) the argument doesn't hold water. If you are projecting, you also would need to project the change that charging facilities will grow as adoption increases. Bollocks. There will not be millions of chargers installed along every sidewalk with free street parking. Those people will be forced into something less convenient, more expensive, or both. 2. Is at gimmick levels. They aren’t ubiquitous by any means. Influencing where you go to shop. Often at the fancier grocery stores, that have chargers. Might be great for affluent shoppers that are already going for high end grocery, but a reduction in economic mobility for someone who already has less.
      - pedalpete 4y ago
        I'm not saying there will be millions of street chargers with free parking. But remember, the energy is a revenue stream. Slowly, then all at once. BTW, you seem angry about this change. You can try to fight it, but what would you gain by doing so?

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josephcsible 4y ago

> "Opportunity cost" for your time spent driving to and from charging stations, etc etc. This is particularly dishonest since if you're like most EV owners who charge at home, you spend less time driving to public chargers than ICE owners do driving to gas stations.

Our_Benefactors 4y ago
Hundreds of millions of people own a car and park them in public or semi-public areas that don’t have charging infrastructure. There is a massive opportunity cost to charging for these people, and that needs to be factored in to large-scale studies like this.
- pedalpete 4y ago
  There are 2 problems with this argument. 1) There aren't hundreds of millions of electrics cars, so unless you're projecting to the future (possible) the argument doesn't hold water. If you are projecting, you also would need to project the change that charging facilities will grow as adoption increases. 2) I'm not sure where you are based, but when I was in the US, charging infrastructure was built into the parking lots where people regularly stop. Grocery store, shopping malls, etc etc. So for these people, charging is more convenient than a gas station, as the car charges itself while you do what you need to do. When at a gas station, I have to stay with the car while it refuels.
  - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
    1) There aren't hundreds of millions of electrics cars, so unless you're projecting to the future (possible) the argument doesn't hold water. If you are projecting, you also would need to project the change that charging facilities will grow as adoption increases. Bollocks. There will not be millions of chargers installed along every sidewalk with free street parking. Those people will be forced into something less convenient, more expensive, or both. 2. Is at gimmick levels. They aren’t ubiquitous by any means. Influencing where you go to shop. Often at the fancier grocery stores, that have chargers. Might be great for affluent shoppers that are already going for high end grocery, but a reduction in economic mobility for someone who already has less.
    - pedalpete 4y ago
      I'm not saying there will be millions of street chargers with free parking. But remember, the energy is a revenue stream. Slowly, then all at once. BTW, you seem angry about this change. You can try to fight it, but what would you gain by doing so?