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> No, that's famine. No, that's poverty. Poverty is a self-reinforcing loop, this is well studied. Malnutrition is malnutrition, you die from it in North Ameri

by the_af 4y ago

> No, that's famine. No, that's poverty. Poverty is a self-reinforcing loop, this is well studied. Malnutrition is malnutrition, you die from it in North America, Africa or whatever. I don't care for your new age "find happiness where you can" mumbo jumbo. I don't live in the US nor anywhere close to the US, so stick your assumptions where the sun don't shine! > Absolutist views are rather boring and a clear indication of a closed mindset I'm sorry you find denouncing and rejecting Nazism is boring. > "rich getting richer" You conveniently forgot "the poor must get poorer". > (google for "Dekulakization") I'm puzzled, is "assuming people don't know a term I'm using and need googling it" part of your "just listen, do not try to win debates" strategy of TFA? Thanks for teaching me though, I didn't know anything about the history of the USSR! It must be that I am not "producing value", haw haw haw! I wrote a longer post to your bullshit reply, but I won't bother, since you decided to ignore this: "you also misunderstood my prompt, which was to debate with people who believe what I listed, not debate with me". Since you failed to engage with pretty simple instructions, and instead you chose to go your own way -- funnily enough, breaking the premise of TFA, which was "to listen"; instead of doing so you launched into an attempt to refute what you guessed were my objections -- I'll bid you adieu. Good luck with your debate tactics!

hbrn 4y ago
> I'm sorry you find denouncing and rejecting Nazism is boring. Evidently, simply denouncing and rejecting does nothing to prevent it from emerging again. All the raping and murdering in Ukraine is currently done in the name of denouncing Nazism, yet it looks very much like Nazism. > you also misunderstood my prompt, which was to debate with people who believe what I listed, not debate with me Turns out debates don't always happen on your terms. Despite your best effort, you still learned something today.
- the_af 4y ago
  > All the raping and murdering in Ukraine is currently done in the name of denouncing Nazism. Ah, yes, I guess if we had debated the "good parts" of Nazism then the invasion of Ukraine wouldn't have happened. > Despite your best effort, you still learned something today. Do you really think that's an honest debate tactic? Do you think that, when reading your last line, I will think "gee, this guy truly taught me something!" or rather dismiss your remark entirely? And do you feel your way of debating is in line with what TFA proposes, or is it possible that you are trying to "win" here, therefore rejecting the whole article? I guess I learned this conversation is futile?
  - hbrn 4y ago
    > Ah, yes, I guess if we had debated the "good parts" of Nazism then the invasion of Ukraine wouldn't have happened. Kind of. If more time was spent deconstructing Nazism/Fascism, instead of simply repeating "Nazism bad" it would be much easier to notice it right under our (their) nose. > I guess I learned this conversation is futile? I'd suggest you to re-read your messages in this thread. Analyze their tone. You never attempted to have a conversation.
    - the_af 4y ago
      So, do you really think that's an honest debate tactic? I noticed you like dodging.
      - hbrn 4y ago
        I'm not using debate tactics and not accusing others of doing it. I'm just debating. If you do want to switch topic to debate tactics, you should first re-read your own comments: they are full of strawman arguments, deflections, condescension and are quite demeaning in general. Hopefully acting like a butthurt teenager is a debate tactic too, not your personality.
        the_af 4y ago
        "Butthurt teenager". Ah, resorting to insults now? "Despite your best effort, you still learned something today." How would you say the above line ranks in the goal of "I hope to lose every debate" and "just listen" mindset?
        hbrn 4y ago
        > "Butthurt teenager". Ah, resorting to insults now? Again, re-read your own comments. I've matched a fraction of your insults and you're already getting upset. > How would you say the above line ranks in the goal of "I hope to lose every debate" and "just listen" mindset? It doesn't rank well at all. Good thing I never claimed to have a "just listen" mindset. In fact, I said I disagree with it.

by the_af 4y ago

hbrn 4y ago

> I'm sorry you find denouncing and rejecting Nazism is boring. Evidently, simply denouncing and rejecting does nothing to prevent it from emerging again. All the raping and murdering in Ukraine is currently done in the name of denouncing Nazism, yet it looks very much like Nazism. > you also misunderstood my prompt, which was to debate with people who believe what I listed, not debate with me Turns out debates don't always happen on your terms. Despite your best effort, you still learned something today.

the_af 4y ago
> All the raping and murdering in Ukraine is currently done in the name of denouncing Nazism. Ah, yes, I guess if we had debated the "good parts" of Nazism then the invasion of Ukraine wouldn't have happened. > Despite your best effort, you still learned something today. Do you really think that's an honest debate tactic? Do you think that, when reading your last line, I will think "gee, this guy truly taught me something!" or rather dismiss your remark entirely? And do you feel your way of debating is in line with what TFA proposes, or is it possible that you are trying to "win" here, therefore rejecting the whole article? I guess I learned this conversation is futile?
- hbrn 4y ago
  > Ah, yes, I guess if we had debated the "good parts" of Nazism then the invasion of Ukraine wouldn't have happened. Kind of. If more time was spent deconstructing Nazism/Fascism, instead of simply repeating "Nazism bad" it would be much easier to notice it right under our (their) nose. > I guess I learned this conversation is futile? I'd suggest you to re-read your messages in this thread. Analyze their tone. You never attempted to have a conversation.
  - the_af 4y ago
    So, do you really think that's an honest debate tactic? I noticed you like dodging.
    - hbrn 4y ago
      I'm not using debate tactics and not accusing others of doing it. I'm just debating. If you do want to switch topic to debate tactics, you should first re-read your own comments: they are full of strawman arguments, deflections, condescension and are quite demeaning in general. Hopefully acting like a butthurt teenager is a debate tactic too, not your personality.
      - the_af 4y ago
        "Butthurt teenager". Ah, resorting to insults now? "Despite your best effort, you still learned something today." How would you say the above line ranks in the goal of "I hope to lose every debate" and "just listen" mindset?
        hbrn 4y ago
        > "Butthurt teenager". Ah, resorting to insults now? Again, re-read your own comments. I've matched a fraction of your insults and you're already getting upset. > How would you say the above line ranks in the goal of "I hope to lose every debate" and "just listen" mindset? It doesn't rank well at all. Good thing I never claimed to have a "just listen" mindset. In fact, I said I disagree with it.