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No way. If I were a student trying to use ChatGPT in order to improve my writing, I would definitely not pay for it if I know my teachers are using their AI Cla

by dakiol 4y ago

No way. If I were a student trying to use ChatGPT in order to improve my writing, I would definitely not pay for it if I know my teachers are using their AI Classifier. I mean, what's the point? I don't think OpenAI will be able to reach that (big) chunk of potential customers that want to use ChatGPT to write essays, social media comments, etc. if OpenAI at the same time sells their classifier. It's just nuts.

eric-hu 4y ago
You make a well reasoned argument here. At the same time, respectfully, you may be too intelligent to be the target audience for the student service. Can you see a college version of yourself paying $500 to write a college essay for yourself today?
Balgair 4y ago
If you're in a STEM-y major, now is the time to pick up an essay heavy humanities degree. If you're in an essay heavy humanities degree, now is the time to pick up a few more. Think of it like this: How much is your degree costing you/your family? On average, it's ~$150k. How much would an extra degree cost you? How about 80% of an extra degree? How about 20%? How about all those books and course materials? Those are in the $1000s already, per degree. (and yes, we all have head of torrents). What I'm saying is that chatGPT can easily be seen as 'just another college cost'. And when it's 'for education', the justification for those costs gets a lot more flexible. I can see students spitting out ~$10,000 for something like chatGPT that is specific towards their major, will pass these classifiers, and gets you just ~25% of the way to your major (however that is defined). The cost 'for the masses' could easily be in the ~$1000s for a per class subscription. With ~20M college students in the US, assuming even a 10% uptake rate, you're in the billions of dollars of nearly pure profit (the overhead would be negligible). The money potential of something like chatGPT is just too damn high. Too high for essays to ever go out of style, as the lobbying effect of companies like this will force colleges to keep these essays that they are making the money off of. Oh, any they'll sell the classifier to the colleges to. Arming both sides!
jeffxtreme 4y ago
But you could just pay for both ChatGPT and the AI classifier, and keep re-iterating with new prompts until the AI classifier outputs a false negative right? Edit: Thinking about it, they'd probably have to eventually restrict the AI classifier so that it would only be available in to schools / institutions in this scenario.
nomel 4y ago
> trying to use ChatGPT in order to improve my writing Grammarly also helps improve your writing. It can be used as a guide, rather than as direct output, just as the teachers red pen does after you turn in the assignment. So can ChatGPT. I think the interesting risk is that it starts flagging Grammarly output, and people who's education was influenced by AI "tutors". It would be like punishing the student for heeding the red marks, from their teachers.

by dakiol 4y ago

eric-hu 4y ago

You make a well reasoned argument here. At the same time, respectfully, you may be too intelligent to be the target audience for the student service. Can you see a college version of yourself paying $500 to write a college essay for yourself today?

Balgair 4y ago

If you're in a STEM-y major, now is the time to pick up an essay heavy humanities degree. If you're in an essay heavy humanities degree, now is the time to pick up a few more. Think of it like this: How much is your degree costing you/your family? On average, it's ~$150k. How much would an extra degree cost you? How about 80% of an extra degree? How about 20%? How about all those books and course materials? Those are in the $1000s already, per degree. (and yes, we all have head of torrents). What I'm saying is that chatGPT can easily be seen as 'just another college cost'. And when it's 'for education', the justification for those costs gets a lot more flexible. I can see students spitting out ~$10,000 for something like chatGPT that is specific towards their major, will pass these classifiers, and gets you just ~25% of the way to your major (however that is defined). The cost 'for the masses' could easily be in the ~$1000s for a per class subscription. With ~20M college students in the US, assuming even a 10% uptake rate, you're in the billions of dollars of nearly pure profit (the overhead would be negligible). The money potential of something like chatGPT is just too damn high. Too high for essays to ever go out of style, as the lobbying effect of companies like this will force colleges to keep these essays that they are making the money off of. Oh, any they'll sell the classifier to the colleges to. Arming both sides!

jeffxtreme 4y ago

But you could just pay for both ChatGPT and the AI classifier, and keep re-iterating with new prompts until the AI classifier outputs a false negative right? Edit: Thinking about it, they'd probably have to eventually restrict the AI classifier so that it would only be available in to schools / institutions in this scenario.

nomel 4y ago

> trying to use ChatGPT in order to improve my writing Grammarly also helps improve your writing. It can be used as a guide, rather than as direct output, just as the teachers red pen does after you turn in the assignment. So can ChatGPT. I think the interesting risk is that it starts flagging Grammarly output, and people who's education was influenced by AI "tutors". It would be like punishing the student for heeding the red marks, from their teachers.