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ELI5 why would the Feds only want this to affect the tech sector and not other markets?

by mcast 4y ago

toomuchtodo 4y ago
You're talking past each other. The Fed doesn't want tech layoffs in particular, they want layoffs in general to destroy aggregate demand and push wage increases down. Much to the chagrin of all parties, the Fed isn't able to keep up with folks leaving the labor force and job creation. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UEMPMEAN https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UEMPMEAN (switch to 1Y resolution for the above) https://seekingalpha.com/article/4531829-older-workers-propping-up-us-economy https://seekingalpha.com/article/4531829-older-workers-propp... https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/the-great-retirement-boom.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/the-great-retire... > “The Fed is tightening monetary policy but somebody forgot to tell the labor market,” said Fitch Ratings chief economist Brian Coulton. “The good thing about these numbers is that it shows the U.S. economy firmly got back to growth in the second half of the year. But job expansion continuing at this speed will do nothing to ease the labor supply-demand imbalance that is worrying the Fed. > Fed Chairman Jerome Powell earlier this week said the job gains are “far in excess of the pace needed to accommodate population growth over time” and said wage pressures are contributing to inflation. > “To be clear, strong wage growth is a good thing. But for wage growth to be sustainable, it needs to be consistent with 2 percent inflation,” he said during a speech Wednesday in Washington, D.C. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/jobs-report-november-2022.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/jobs-report-november-2022.ht... (but lets be real, wages weren't/aren't driving inflation; it was the supply chain (goods), the Ukraine conflict (energy), ZIRP and new stock not keeping up with demand (housing), and Avian flu (eggs))
- dopylitty 4y ago
  Surely raising interest rates and destroying the economy will bring back those 58 million chickens, restore the supply chain, and make Russia pull out of Ukraine.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    You're saying that the current inflation is transitory, and that's heresy.
  - ssnistfajen 4y ago
    They just want make enough people become broke via layoffs/debt payments so that their demand evaporates due to not having any money to spend, because that's the only thing they have power over. JPow has repeatedly implied that the average person AKA labour force is merely an expendable statistic.
- elforce002 4y ago
  Interesting. The current administration is proud of its low unemployment numbers while pulling this move. The hypocrisy writes itself, hehe.
  - thorncorona 4y ago
    Politicians are most honest when they are lying it seems :)
  - ssnistfajen 4y ago
    It's the same as Trump boasting about the bull market when it was merely a continued trend line from Obama days. Politicians love presenting favourable statistics to make themselves look good regardless of whether they did something to make that happen. The Fed enjoys some level of policy independence so they don't take every order from the administration like a dangling puppet. So the current administration's involvement in this is somewhat limited.
    - Buttons840 4y ago
      It doesn't seem quite the same. Instead of "praise me for what I inherited", it's more like: "I'm proud of low unemployment. Low unemployment is valuable and is something we want." Meanwhile the Fed is seeking to increase unemployment.
      - ssnistfajen 4y ago
        The Fed isn't directly controlled by the executive branch. And when unemployment trends become serious, it will remind the Fed that the Fed's mandate includes achieving maximum employment.
    - ss108 4y ago
      Yes. Also, can you imagine how Trump and right-wing media would have bitched if these moves by the Fed occurred during his administration? DEep StatE Fed bureaucrats trying to win election for socialists, etc
  - 4y ago
- mcast 4y ago
  So Powell’s theory is: if we can limit the middle class’s purchasing power by restricting extreme wage growth, the price of consumer goods will eventually plateau or only increase at a fixed 2%. Otherwise, if wages are allowed to increase at the actual inflation rate or higher (10%+) from a competitive job market, the price of goods will continue to increase without any levers for the Fed to stop it.
  - Buttons840 4y ago
    Two possibilities exist in an economy, either there are more workers, or there are more jobs. Ideally there would be an equal number of workers and jobs, but things don't work out so exactly in real life, so an equal number isn't really an option. Which is better, to have more workers, or more jobs? If Powell's theory is correct, then having more jobs than there are workers results in high inflation -- not good. Thus, the only stable option for an economy is to have more workers than there are jobs? That sure sucks for the workers.
  - gowld 4y ago
    Which is why the Federal government should increase tax on (windfall) profits, to disincentivize price increases and allow real wages to increase back to 1970s levels. The problem here is in expecting the Fed to fix the economy when all it has is an interest rate hammer.
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ELI5 why would the Feds only want this to affect the tech sector and not other markets?

by mcast 4y ago

ELI5 why would the Feds only want this to affect the tech sector and not other markets?

You're talking past each other. The Fed doesn't want tech layoffs in particular, they want layoffs in general to destroy aggregate demand and push wage increases down. Much to the chagrin of all parties, the Fed isn't able to keep up with folks leaving the labor force and job creation. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UEMPMEAN https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UEMPMEAN (switch to 1Y resolution for the above) https://seekingalpha.com/article/4531829-older-workers-propping-up-us-economy https://seekingalpha.com/article/4531829-older-workers-propp... https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/the-great-retirement-boom.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/feds/the-great-retire... > “The Fed is tightening monetary policy but somebody forgot to tell the labor market,” said Fitch Ratings chief economist Brian Coulton. “The good thing about these numbers is that it shows the U.S. economy firmly got back to growth in the second half of the year. But job expansion continuing at this speed will do nothing to ease the labor supply-demand imbalance that is worrying the Fed. > Fed Chairman Jerome Powell earlier this week said the job gains are “far in excess of the pace needed to accommodate population growth over time” and said wage pressures are contributing to inflation. > “To be clear, strong wage growth is a good thing. But for wage growth to be sustainable, it needs to be consistent with 2 percent inflation,” he said during a speech Wednesday in Washington, D.C. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/jobs-report-november-2022.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/jobs-report-november-2022.ht... (but lets be real, wages weren't/aren't driving inflation; it was the supply chain (goods), the Ukraine conflict (energy), ZIRP and new stock not keeping up with demand (housing), and Avian flu (eggs))

dopylitty 4y ago
Surely raising interest rates and destroying the economy will bring back those 58 million chickens, restore the supply chain, and make Russia pull out of Ukraine.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  You're saying that the current inflation is transitory, and that's heresy.
- ssnistfajen 4y ago
  They just want make enough people become broke via layoffs/debt payments so that their demand evaporates due to not having any money to spend, because that's the only thing they have power over. JPow has repeatedly implied that the average person AKA labour force is merely an expendable statistic.
elforce002 4y ago
Interesting. The current administration is proud of its low unemployment numbers while pulling this move. The hypocrisy writes itself, hehe.
- thorncorona 4y ago
  Politicians are most honest when they are lying it seems :)
- ssnistfajen 4y ago
  It's the same as Trump boasting about the bull market when it was merely a continued trend line from Obama days. Politicians love presenting favourable statistics to make themselves look good regardless of whether they did something to make that happen. The Fed enjoys some level of policy independence so they don't take every order from the administration like a dangling puppet. So the current administration's involvement in this is somewhat limited.
  - Buttons840 4y ago
    It doesn't seem quite the same. Instead of "praise me for what I inherited", it's more like: "I'm proud of low unemployment. Low unemployment is valuable and is something we want." Meanwhile the Fed is seeking to increase unemployment.
    - ssnistfajen 4y ago
      The Fed isn't directly controlled by the executive branch. And when unemployment trends become serious, it will remind the Fed that the Fed's mandate includes achieving maximum employment.
  - ss108 4y ago
    Yes. Also, can you imagine how Trump and right-wing media would have bitched if these moves by the Fed occurred during his administration? DEep StatE Fed bureaucrats trying to win election for socialists, etc
- 4y ago
mcast 4y ago
So Powell’s theory is: if we can limit the middle class’s purchasing power by restricting extreme wage growth, the price of consumer goods will eventually plateau or only increase at a fixed 2%. Otherwise, if wages are allowed to increase at the actual inflation rate or higher (10%+) from a competitive job market, the price of goods will continue to increase without any levers for the Fed to stop it.
- Buttons840 4y ago
  Two possibilities exist in an economy, either there are more workers, or there are more jobs. Ideally there would be an equal number of workers and jobs, but things don't work out so exactly in real life, so an equal number isn't really an option. Which is better, to have more workers, or more jobs? If Powell's theory is correct, then having more jobs than there are workers results in high inflation -- not good. Thus, the only stable option for an economy is to have more workers than there are jobs? That sure sucks for the workers.
- gowld 4y ago
  Which is why the Federal government should increase tax on (windfall) profits, to disincentivize price increases and allow real wages to increase back to 1970s levels. The problem here is in expecting the Fed to fix the economy when all it has is an interest rate hammer.
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