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> Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy. So, like in European cities.

by anyfoo 4y ago

rootusrootus 4y ago
I don't have to try that hard with google maps to find places in Europe that look just like suburbs of the US.
- anyfoo 4y ago
  And I grew up in Germany all my life and live in the US now. Maybe "places like suburbs in the US" do exist, though I doubt they are as restricted as the suburbs I'm seeing here, and that you can recognize their nature from a quick Google Maps glance. But in any case, it does not change the fact that I grew up in a big city, with, as listed above, "cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic, a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy", and that that was common all around me. Children, me included, played on the streets. It's literally called a "Spielstraße", and they are very common. We just walked over to school, too, maybe took the bus for a few stations. I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. I don't blame the US, I just hate zoning with a passion. I so miss living in a nice area in the city and being able to walk over to a small supermarket, a café, a barber, within the same area. Just live my life, without having to hop into my car and make it a journey for every tiny thing. It's so isolating here. These news give me hope.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. For what it's worth, the US is huge. I've lived in a number of places around this country, and I can't generalize much of anything between them. This is probably why I love suburbia and you hate it. My neighborhood is awesome and sounds just like you describe your ideal neighborhood to be. It's also suburban by any definition. Sometimes I wonder if people just assume that all of the US has Midwest-style tract housing that sprawls for miles, or if we're all like California, etc. It's so variable, and the generalizations unhelpful (but hilarious).
    - anyfoo 4y ago
      Right, so I guess your city does not have the zoning laws that I'm lamenting here? I even specifically wrote "I don't blame the US, I just hate zoning laws with a passion".
  - xienze 4y ago
    > I so miss living in a nice area in the city and being able to walk over to a small supermarket, a café, a barber, within the same area. So what’s stopping you? Move to the downtown area of any decently-sized city. You make it sound as if such areas don’t exist at all in the US.
    - anyfoo 4y ago
      Did you read the rest? There are significant differences between the typical downtown area of a US city, and what I was describing. In my experience, downtown is not exactly where children get to play on quiet streets. But it is true that I don't know every larger city. So if there is a city where the zoning laws I'm lamenting do not apply, great, let's have that in California as well, please.
      - xienze 4y ago
        Post a couple photos of what you’re describing and I’ll show you some similar areas in the US then.

> Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy. So, like in European cities.

by anyfoo 4y ago

> Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy. So, like in European cities.

rootusrootus 4y ago

I don't have to try that hard with google maps to find places in Europe that look just like suburbs of the US.

anyfoo 4y ago
And I grew up in Germany all my life and live in the US now. Maybe "places like suburbs in the US" do exist, though I doubt they are as restricted as the suburbs I'm seeing here, and that you can recognize their nature from a quick Google Maps glance. But in any case, it does not change the fact that I grew up in a big city, with, as listed above, "cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic, a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy", and that that was common all around me. Children, me included, played on the streets. It's literally called a "Spielstraße", and they are very common. We just walked over to school, too, maybe took the bus for a few stations. I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. I don't blame the US, I just hate zoning with a passion. I so miss living in a nice area in the city and being able to walk over to a small supermarket, a café, a barber, within the same area. Just live my life, without having to hop into my car and make it a journey for every tiny thing. It's so isolating here. These news give me hope.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. For what it's worth, the US is huge. I've lived in a number of places around this country, and I can't generalize much of anything between them. This is probably why I love suburbia and you hate it. My neighborhood is awesome and sounds just like you describe your ideal neighborhood to be. It's also suburban by any definition. Sometimes I wonder if people just assume that all of the US has Midwest-style tract housing that sprawls for miles, or if we're all like California, etc. It's so variable, and the generalizations unhelpful (but hilarious).
  - anyfoo 4y ago
    Right, so I guess your city does not have the zoning laws that I'm lamenting here? I even specifically wrote "I don't blame the US, I just hate zoning laws with a passion".
- xienze 4y ago
  > I so miss living in a nice area in the city and being able to walk over to a small supermarket, a café, a barber, within the same area. So what’s stopping you? Move to the downtown area of any decently-sized city. You make it sound as if such areas don’t exist at all in the US.
  - anyfoo 4y ago
    Did you read the rest? There are significant differences between the typical downtown area of a US city, and what I was describing. In my experience, downtown is not exactly where children get to play on quiet streets. But it is true that I don't know every larger city. So if there is a city where the zoning laws I'm lamenting do not apply, great, let's have that in California as well, please.
    - xienze 4y ago
      Post a couple photos of what you’re describing and I’ll show you some similar areas in the US then.