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The answers are very uncomfortable Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy.

by ipaddr 4y ago

kiba 4y ago
Streets are dangerous because of cars zipping around. Cars contribute to air pollution quality (until electrified) and noise quality. So, you ban cars from streets and allow only pedestrians and cyclists. Next, you allow local amenities to pop up so you don't feel the need to get a car out. The suburban pattern of development as it currently exists isn't the only way to facilitate the quality of life you're looking for.
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  You can't ban cars before you have the infrastructure and commercial resources to replace what cars were used for.
- florbo 4y ago
  When are US cities going to ban cars? My guess is 0-2 in the next century.
- zip1234 4y ago
  Even electrified, tires shed loads of nasty particulates.
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    And at higher speeds make a good chunk of the noise, too.
lfuller 4y ago
Nearly all studies regarding suburban vs. urban streets have shown that suburban streets have significantly higher rates of child deaths and injuries than urban streets.
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  Out of curiosity (I do not know the answer), is there a study on the percentage of time that children spend playing outside in urban vs suburban vs rural areas?
  - anhner 4y ago
    I guarantee you children in (european) urban areas go out more because there are more children and places to play with. In suburban hell what are you supposed to play with? And with whom? The only other two kids on the street?
    - RHSeeger 4y ago
      There are constantly kids in my area out and about, playing or on their way to play. I'm not sure what kind of wasteland you thing the suburbs is, but lots of children are within walking distance of each other.
- cheeseomlit 4y ago
  Probably because kids dont play outside on urban streets at all, it'd be an instant death sentence
  - notch898a 4y ago
    Nah some people do. I saw a lady who was letting her infant crawl across an urban road. She gave me the death glare because her child decided to crawl out from underneath a parked vehicle right in front of me and I was only able to avoid it at the last minute because I wasn't expecting crawling babies to pop out from underneath a parked car.
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    Just absolutely untrue. Cars on my street drive at 20 because of all the speed bumps. Even if a kid got hit it wouldn't be a death sentence. And guess what, they don't, they just move out of the way when a car comes.
anyfoo 4y ago
> Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy. So, like in European cities.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  I don't have to try that hard with google maps to find places in Europe that look just like suburbs of the US.
  - anyfoo 4y ago
    And I grew up in Germany all my life and live in the US now. Maybe "places like suburbs in the US" do exist, though I doubt they are as restricted as the suburbs I'm seeing here, and that you can recognize their nature from a quick Google Maps glance. But in any case, it does not change the fact that I grew up in a big city, with, as listed above, "cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic, a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy", and that that was common all around me. Children, me included, played on the streets. It's literally called a "Spielstraße", and they are very common. We just walked over to school, too, maybe took the bus for a few stations. I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. I don't blame the US, I just hate zoning with a passion. I so miss living in a nice area in the city and being able to walk over to a small supermarket, a café, a barber, within the same area. Just live my life, without having to hop into my car and make it a journey for every tiny thing. It's so isolating here. These news give me hope.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      > I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. For what it's worth, the US is huge. I've lived in a number of places around this country, and I can't generalize much of anything between them. This is probably why I love suburbia and you hate it. My neighborhood is awesome and sounds just like you describe your ideal neighborhood to be. It's also suburban by any definition. Sometimes I wonder if people just assume that all of the US has Midwest-style tract housing that sprawls for miles, or if we're all like California, etc. It's so variable, and the generalizations unhelpful (but hilarious).

The answers are very uncomfortable Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy.

by ipaddr 4y ago

The answers are very uncomfortable Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy.

kiba 4y ago

Streets are dangerous because of cars zipping around. Cars contribute to air pollution quality (until electrified) and noise quality. So, you ban cars from streets and allow only pedestrians and cyclists. Next, you allow local amenities to pop up so you don't feel the need to get a car out. The suburban pattern of development as it currently exists isn't the only way to facilitate the quality of life you're looking for.

RHSeeger 4y ago
You can't ban cars before you have the infrastructure and commercial resources to replace what cars were used for.
florbo 4y ago
When are US cities going to ban cars? My guess is 0-2 in the next century.
zip1234 4y ago
Even electrified, tires shed loads of nasty particulates.
- yencabulator 4y ago
  And at higher speeds make a good chunk of the noise, too.

lfuller 4y ago

Nearly all studies regarding suburban vs. urban streets have shown that suburban streets have significantly higher rates of child deaths and injuries than urban streets.

RHSeeger 4y ago
Out of curiosity (I do not know the answer), is there a study on the percentage of time that children spend playing outside in urban vs suburban vs rural areas?
- anhner 4y ago
  I guarantee you children in (european) urban areas go out more because there are more children and places to play with. In suburban hell what are you supposed to play with? And with whom? The only other two kids on the street?
  - RHSeeger 4y ago
    There are constantly kids in my area out and about, playing or on their way to play. I'm not sure what kind of wasteland you thing the suburbs is, but lots of children are within walking distance of each other.
cheeseomlit 4y ago
Probably because kids dont play outside on urban streets at all, it'd be an instant death sentence
- notch898a 4y ago
  Nah some people do. I saw a lady who was letting her infant crawl across an urban road. She gave me the death glare because her child decided to crawl out from underneath a parked vehicle right in front of me and I was only able to avoid it at the last minute because I wasn't expecting crawling babies to pop out from underneath a parked car.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  Just absolutely untrue. Cars on my street drive at 20 because of all the speed bumps. Even if a kid got hit it wouldn't be a death sentence. And guess what, they don't, they just move out of the way when a car comes.

anyfoo 4y ago

> Like cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic and a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy. So, like in European cities.

rootusrootus 4y ago
I don't have to try that hard with google maps to find places in Europe that look just like suburbs of the US.
- anyfoo 4y ago
  And I grew up in Germany all my life and live in the US now. Maybe "places like suburbs in the US" do exist, though I doubt they are as restricted as the suburbs I'm seeing here, and that you can recognize their nature from a quick Google Maps glance. But in any case, it does not change the fact that I grew up in a big city, with, as listed above, "cleaner air, safer streets, less traffic, a better place to raise a child and/or dog with backyards and privacy", and that that was common all around me. Children, me included, played on the streets. It's literally called a "Spielstraße", and they are very common. We just walked over to school, too, maybe took the bus for a few stations. I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. I don't blame the US, I just hate zoning with a passion. I so miss living in a nice area in the city and being able to walk over to a small supermarket, a café, a barber, within the same area. Just live my life, without having to hop into my car and make it a journey for every tiny thing. It's so isolating here. These news give me hope.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > I've been living in the US for close than a decade now, and it's markedly different. For what it's worth, the US is huge. I've lived in a number of places around this country, and I can't generalize much of anything between them. This is probably why I love suburbia and you hate it. My neighborhood is awesome and sounds just like you describe your ideal neighborhood to be. It's also suburban by any definition. Sometimes I wonder if people just assume that all of the US has Midwest-style tract housing that sprawls for miles, or if we're all like California, etc. It's so variable, and the generalizations unhelpful (but hilarious).