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> regardless of what the local people think and want. NIMBY has caused so many issues that I'm not sure the people who already live in a place should have this

> regardless of what the local people think and want. NIMBY has caused so many issues that I'm not sure the people who already live in a place should have this much power. They bought the land their property sits on and nothing else. > if the assumption is that the residents of higher-density dwellings are more likely to vote Democrat on average vs the current home owners Citation needed. > There are obvious concerns being raised about - traffic You know the great thing about higher density areas? You can have effective public transportation. Low density zoning connected by highways is the main driving force for traffic. > ability of utilities to handle the extra density It's much cheaper to do that versus low density. > school capacity Might require more schools. Or larger schools since one can serve more people. Certainly easier to do than having many schools spread across a large area. > not to mention wishes of those (like me) who explicitly chose a suburban lifestyle for our family You should book a trip with your family and visit an european country, with their walkable cities. And then come back and let us know if a suburb – which you can only reach via car and people are mostly inside their houses because there's nothing to do outside – is really preferable to a city where you can actually walk around (and, for kids, actually socialize)

xyzelement 4y ago
// You should book a trip with your family and visit an european country, with their walkable cities. And then come back and let us know if a suburb – which you can only reach via car and people are mostly inside their houses because there's nothing to do outside – is really preferable to a city where you can actually walk around (and, for kids, actually socialize) (I am the person you're responding to.) I grew up in Europe and then lived in NYC. So I am extremely familiar with this model. I am also someone who chose to live in the burbs once we had kids. In Manhattan, my neighbors had ~0 kids on average. In my current town, my neighbors are by and large former NYC residents who have ~3-4 kids on average. Very clearly people with kids are choosing the burbs, despite plenty of experience with the other model, and I expect that most of my neighbors have been to Europe plenty. We know the options. Also, have you ever been to Europe outside the big cities? You need a car. And also also, do you have kids? I was much more enthused about city life before I had a family, now I get it.

xyzelement 4y ago

// You should book a trip with your family and visit an european country, with their walkable cities. And then come back and let us know if a suburb – which you can only reach via car and people are mostly inside their houses because there's nothing to do outside – is really preferable to a city where you can actually walk around (and, for kids, actually socialize) (I am the person you're responding to.) I grew up in Europe and then lived in NYC. So I am extremely familiar with this model. I am also someone who chose to live in the burbs once we had kids. In Manhattan, my neighbors had ~0 kids on average. In my current town, my neighbors are by and large former NYC residents who have ~3-4 kids on average. Very clearly people with kids are choosing the burbs, despite plenty of experience with the other model, and I expect that most of my neighbors have been to Europe plenty. We know the options. Also, have you ever been to Europe outside the big cities? You need a car. And also also, do you have kids? I was much more enthused about city life before I had a family, now I get it.