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All the folks that don’t own a Tesla but feel that people who pay $20k for “beta” software, please Google for “FSD saved my life” to understand how this seeming

All the folks that don’t own a Tesla but feel that people who pay $20k for “beta” software, please Google for “FSD saved my life” to understand how this seemingly irrational expense makes perfect sense from a personal safety perspective. https://www.google.com/search?q=fsd+saved+my+life https://www.google.com/search?q=fsd+saved+my+life having experienced this first-hand I know that I would gladly pay $20k to avoid a potential fatal accident with my family in the car. Yes, it’s miss-sold and feature-incomplete. But it’s a lot more than “cruise control”. It’s easily the most advanced safety feature in a mass produced vehicle.

clint 4y ago
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lostmsu 4y ago
Well, the question is would a normal driver avoid collision? I personally avoided a collision with a truck that was overtaking me (e.g. it was coming from behind) in a shoulder where it did not fit. I swerved to an adjacent empty lane.
- cptskippy 4y ago
  In my opinion, many of the safety systems while flawed, have an advantage over a human in that their attention never falters. Their judgement might be 25-50% that of a human's but their attention is 100%. AEB isn't going to get distracted with the radio, spilled drink, or dropped phone under the seat. I think they're an augmentation that can make drivers better. I also think Tesla's FSD is too lax and allows drivers to be worse.
  - nelsonic 4y ago
    For sure, advanced driver safety systems can become a crutch. I don’t think driving a Tesla has made me a worse driver… but I am very aware of the lack of 360 cameras and collision avoidance when I drive a different car. Back to the OP though, I’m glad that the DOJ keeps Tesla on their toes. Just hope they don’t stifle innovation. I feel much safer in the Tesla than I do in other (even more expensive/luxury) cars.
- nelsonic 4y ago
  Yes, absolutely a “normal” driver would avoid some of the collisions. But read the stats on road/traffic accidents and particularly fatalities. The stats are grim. The “Tesla saved me” owner reports are “anecdata”. But again, having experienced this personally where someone in an Audi Q8 undertook us just before a highway exit, I didn’t see him but our car swerved to avoid the collision. It would have been a nasty accident. Avoided. Totally worth paying for IMO. Then it’s a just a question of “how much?” The software could be free. But it’s a “free market” and people are willing to pay. So they do.
  - cactusplant7374 4y ago
    You missed the Audi. What is to say you will react in time to an FSD bug at some point in the future? There are so many disengagements on YouTube where it looks like FSD is trying to kill the driver.
cptskippy 4y ago
I don't have Autopilot or FSD but my Model 3 has AEB and it saved my butt with in a week of owning it when some jackass in a Mercedes cut me off abruptly. We joke about the car being bossy with our child because it makes beeps when it thinks we're too close to other cars, walls, etc; but these safety systems are a fantastic addition to vehicles. The safety systems like lane keep, obstacle avoidance, and AEB are not exclusive to Tesla; and Tesla does them really really well.

clint 4y ago

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lostmsu 4y ago

Well, the question is would a normal driver avoid collision? I personally avoided a collision with a truck that was overtaking me (e.g. it was coming from behind) in a shoulder where it did not fit. I swerved to an adjacent empty lane.

cptskippy 4y ago
In my opinion, many of the safety systems while flawed, have an advantage over a human in that their attention never falters. Their judgement might be 25-50% that of a human's but their attention is 100%. AEB isn't going to get distracted with the radio, spilled drink, or dropped phone under the seat. I think they're an augmentation that can make drivers better. I also think Tesla's FSD is too lax and allows drivers to be worse.
- nelsonic 4y ago
  For sure, advanced driver safety systems can become a crutch. I don’t think driving a Tesla has made me a worse driver… but I am very aware of the lack of 360 cameras and collision avoidance when I drive a different car. Back to the OP though, I’m glad that the DOJ keeps Tesla on their toes. Just hope they don’t stifle innovation. I feel much safer in the Tesla than I do in other (even more expensive/luxury) cars.
nelsonic 4y ago
Yes, absolutely a “normal” driver would avoid some of the collisions. But read the stats on road/traffic accidents and particularly fatalities. The stats are grim. The “Tesla saved me” owner reports are “anecdata”. But again, having experienced this personally where someone in an Audi Q8 undertook us just before a highway exit, I didn’t see him but our car swerved to avoid the collision. It would have been a nasty accident. Avoided. Totally worth paying for IMO. Then it’s a just a question of “how much?” The software could be free. But it’s a “free market” and people are willing to pay. So they do.
- cactusplant7374 4y ago
  You missed the Audi. What is to say you will react in time to an FSD bug at some point in the future? There are so many disengagements on YouTube where it looks like FSD is trying to kill the driver.

cptskippy 4y ago

I don't have Autopilot or FSD but my Model 3 has AEB and it saved my butt with in a week of owning it when some jackass in a Mercedes cut me off abruptly. We joke about the car being bossy with our child because it makes beeps when it thinks we're too close to other cars, walls, etc; but these safety systems are a fantastic addition to vehicles. The safety systems like lane keep, obstacle avoidance, and AEB are not exclusive to Tesla; and Tesla does them really really well.