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I agree with your premise. I just disagree that the use of authority is the solution here. I don't see any reason why the state needs to intervene. Just let the

I agree with your premise. I just disagree that the use of authority is the solution here. I don't see any reason why the state needs to intervene. Just let the locally-optimal solutions (peacefully) compete and sort themselves out. Let there be winners and losers, and don't get in the way. Using authority to force cooperation is tyranny. We're not all on the same team. We're self-interested, in-group focused, animals and there's nothing wrong with that.

opportune 4y ago
The locally-optimal solution is always to try to get as much commercial tax base as possible (since it increases the tax base without much increase in spending) and as little resident tax base as possible (since it increases spending). So I don’t really see how it will sort itself out. When you are a bunch of small, close by municipalities all operating in essentially the same economic context (job market, etc.) the regional issues always become someone else’s problem.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  From what perspective is that optimal at all? Certainly humans care about more in life than the tax revenue of their municipal government. I can't speak for you but that's not my goal in life
  - opportune 4y ago
    People generally don’t try to block offices or retail the way they try to block housing. Many of the NIMBY concerns like having to build more schools don’t apply.
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      I think very little of nimbyism life looks like that. People don't want change by them
janosett 4y ago
> Using authority to force cooperation is tyranny. Wow, this is an odd definition of tyranny. The elected representatives of the people of our state wrote these laws. I personally think it's fair for us to make laws that apply across our state rather than having full autonomy at the city level.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Should it not be the federal government, then, that makes all the laws? Instead of autonomy at the state level?
triceratops 4y ago
> I just disagree that the use of authority is the solution here. Agreed. So why even allow the city to use its authority? Leave it to the property owner to decide.

opportune 4y ago

The locally-optimal solution is always to try to get as much commercial tax base as possible (since it increases the tax base without much increase in spending) and as little resident tax base as possible (since it increases spending). So I don’t really see how it will sort itself out. When you are a bunch of small, close by municipalities all operating in essentially the same economic context (job market, etc.) the regional issues always become someone else’s problem.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
From what perspective is that optimal at all? Certainly humans care about more in life than the tax revenue of their municipal government. I can't speak for you but that's not my goal in life
- opportune 4y ago
  People generally don’t try to block offices or retail the way they try to block housing. Many of the NIMBY concerns like having to build more schools don’t apply.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    I think very little of nimbyism life looks like that. People don't want change by them

janosett 4y ago

> Using authority to force cooperation is tyranny. Wow, this is an odd definition of tyranny. The elected representatives of the people of our state wrote these laws. I personally think it's fair for us to make laws that apply across our state rather than having full autonomy at the city level.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Should it not be the federal government, then, that makes all the laws? Instead of autonomy at the state level?

triceratops 4y ago

> I just disagree that the use of authority is the solution here. Agreed. So why even allow the city to use its authority? Leave it to the property owner to decide.