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If you pay $15K today, you get FSD Beta. For some people, the beta is worth the price, even not knowing precisely when it will be more than SAE Level 2. We ar

by bhauer 4y ago

If you pay $15K today, you get FSD Beta. For some people, the beta is worth the price, even not knowing precisely when it will be more than SAE Level 2. We are talking about the group of people who system16 criticized for being "happy with having paid for FSD." Other peoples' needs and wants differ, and characterizing those needs and wants as if they are plain wrong is arrogant.

thefounder 4y ago
What's the beta used for? If you need to keep your hands on the steering wheel and monitor the FSH I feel it's more of a testing task (which should be performed by qualified personnel) rather than end users on public streets. If the beta software kills someone you are responsible because you didn't stop it on time. Is this something people want?
- bhauer 4y ago
  It is semi-autonomous driving software, so the use cases are what you might expect. For example, I have seen many Youtube videos where people are using it for supervised semi-autonomous drives. Some say that once you're used to its quirks, it's less stressful/easier to drive this way. In the end, who knows? Who cares? If a customer says they are happy with the purchase, why should someone else tell them they are plain wrong? I can disagree, of course, but I should not tell them they're just wrong for being happy. I don't tell people they're wrong for paying extra for a special paint color.
  - thefounder 4y ago
    >> Some say that once you're used to its quirks, it's less stressful/easier to drive this way. That's really my problem. You get used with it and start trusting it until it unexpectedly goes straight into that white van.
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- DennisP 4y ago
  > should be performed by qualified personnel The trouble is, nobody can afford to employ a hundred thousand professional test drivers.
lolinder 4y ago
I covered that already in my comment: > You can still argue that ... they're already getting enough value out of the partially delivered product. I think it's true that some people feel that way, and that's fine. But I agree with OP that the others "who honestly believe 'real FSD is only a year away'" are being taken advantage of if not outright defrauded.

by bhauer 4y ago

thefounder 4y ago

What's the beta used for? If you need to keep your hands on the steering wheel and monitor the FSH I feel it's more of a testing task (which should be performed by qualified personnel) rather than end users on public streets. If the beta software kills someone you are responsible because you didn't stop it on time. Is this something people want?

bhauer 4y ago
It is semi-autonomous driving software, so the use cases are what you might expect. For example, I have seen many Youtube videos where people are using it for supervised semi-autonomous drives. Some say that once you're used to its quirks, it's less stressful/easier to drive this way. In the end, who knows? Who cares? If a customer says they are happy with the purchase, why should someone else tell them they are plain wrong? I can disagree, of course, but I should not tell them they're just wrong for being happy. I don't tell people they're wrong for paying extra for a special paint color.
- thefounder 4y ago
  >> Some say that once you're used to its quirks, it's less stressful/easier to drive this way. That's really my problem. You get used with it and start trusting it until it unexpectedly goes straight into that white van.
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DennisP 4y ago
> should be performed by qualified personnel The trouble is, nobody can afford to employ a hundred thousand professional test drivers.

lolinder 4y ago

I covered that already in my comment: > You can still argue that ... they're already getting enough value out of the partially delivered product. I think it's true that some people feel that way, and that's fine. But I agree with OP that the others "who honestly believe 'real FSD is only a year away'" are being taken advantage of if not outright defrauded.