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Yeah, and if you pay $15K today, you get FSD Beta. For some people, that is worth the price. Again, arguing that you know better about what other people do wi

by bhauer 4y ago

Yeah, and if you pay $15K today, you get FSD Beta. For some people, that is worth the price. Again, arguing that you know better about what other people do with their money is arrogant.

ryanwaggoner 4y ago
EDIT: nvm
- fallingknife 4y ago
  They are investigating, so it is not known whether or not they disagree yet. And even if they did, your argument would still be nothing but an appeal to authority.
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- bhauer 4y ago
  This subthread is about the people who system16 criticized for being happy with purchasing FSD. The Justice Department is not acting on behalf of that group of satisfied customers.
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dylan604 4y ago
Not being a Tesla owner and definitely not someone paying $15k for FSD Beta, I have to ask, when someone does pay $15k for FSD are they told it is FSD or that it is FSD Beta?
- bhauer 4y ago
  You can see for yourself: https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design Full Self-Driving Capability $15,000 All functionality of Basic Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control Coming Soon Autosteer on city streets The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    loads page... cmd-f "beta" 0 results hmmm...some further questioning is warranted. So, for the people actually buying it with the actual contract paperwork and the sales pitch being provided, does the word Beta ever get used and is it fully explained? to me, it looks like another "smear the DoJ for doing their job" campaign by those having the job done to them. it is so in vogue these days
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    I am noticing the complete lack of the word "beta".
  - system16 4y ago
    Interesting to compare this to the same page from 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20190407072718/https://www.tesla.com/en_US/model3/design#autopilot https://web.archive.org/web/20190407072718/https://www.tesla... Full Self-Driving Capability Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars. Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces. Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. Coming later this year: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs. Automatic driving on city streets.

by bhauer 4y ago

Yeah, and if you pay $15K today, you get FSD Beta. For some people, that is worth the price. Again, arguing that you know better about what other people do with their money is arrogant.

ryanwaggoner 4y ago

EDIT: nvm

fallingknife 4y ago
They are investigating, so it is not known whether or not they disagree yet. And even if they did, your argument would still be nothing but an appeal to authority.
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bhauer 4y ago
This subthread is about the people who system16 criticized for being happy with purchasing FSD. The Justice Department is not acting on behalf of that group of satisfied customers.
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dylan604 4y ago

Not being a Tesla owner and definitely not someone paying $15k for FSD Beta, I have to ask, when someone does pay $15k for FSD are they told it is FSD or that it is FSD Beta?

bhauer 4y ago
You can see for yourself: https://www.tesla.com/model3/design https://www.tesla.com/model3/design Full Self-Driving Capability $15,000 All functionality of Basic Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control Coming Soon Autosteer on city streets The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.
- dylan604 4y ago
  loads page... cmd-f "beta" 0 results hmmm...some further questioning is warranted. So, for the people actually buying it with the actual contract paperwork and the sales pitch being provided, does the word Beta ever get used and is it fully explained? to me, it looks like another "smear the DoJ for doing their job" campaign by those having the job done to them. it is so in vogue these days
- nickthegreek 4y ago
  I am noticing the complete lack of the word "beta".
- system16 4y ago
  Interesting to compare this to the same page from 2019: https://web.archive.org/web/20190407072718/https://www.tesla.com/en_US/model3/design#autopilot https://web.archive.org/web/20190407072718/https://www.tesla... Full Self-Driving Capability Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars. Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces. Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really. Coming later this year: Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs. Automatic driving on city streets.