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Because the divide went from "I believe in a balanced budget and you don't" to I believe you have no right to live or have bodily autonomy and I will do everyth

Because the divide went from "I believe in a balanced budget and you don't" to I believe you have no right to live or have bodily autonomy and I will do everything in my power to strip you of your rights. There are no sides anymore it's supporting racists, bigots and misogynists or not.

jeffwask 4y ago
Or if you don't like that one we could try... Because between 2020 and 2022 the world experienced the greatest transfer of wealth between the poor and middle class to the wealthy as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic. Or if you don't like that one we could try... Because the wealth gap between classes is the greatest it has been since the days of the robber barons and individuals who cannot afford basic medical procedures have to hope an influencer wants clicks and will pay for their surgery so they won't be blind. Or if you don't like that one we could try... As the world burns from rampant climate change, one side actively blocks any effort to halt or god forbid repair the damage done while enriching corporations and the 1%. All while the 1% jet set around doing the equivalent damage of entire countries to the climate. In the mean time the youngest generation of Americans, by and large believe they will never be able to own a home or have children.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  > Because between 2020 and 2022 the world experienced the greatest transfer of wealth between the poor and middle class to the wealthy as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic. It wasn’t the virus or the pandemic that caused this. This was caused by societies insane reaction to it. Virtually all second order effects from the pandemic are caused by our reaction not by the virus.
tastyfreeze 4y ago
From what I see the battle is between collectivists and individualists. The name calling is just a weapon for discrediting people.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Forcing your personal religious beliefs onto everyone else sure as fuck isn't individualist
  - tastyfreeze 4y ago
    Talking about your religious beliefs is not forcing them on anybody.
- kibwen 4y ago
  It is possible to be an individualist without calling for women, racial minorities, and gay people to be reduced to second-class citizens, but unfortunately given the popular rhetoric of self-proclaimed "individualists" you can be forgiven for not realizing this. You don't need to be a communist to be in favor of gay marriage, the right to abortion, the self-determination of gender identity, and so on. Back in the day we just called that "libertarianism" before the term was co-opted by anarcho-capitalists.
  - LudwigNagasena 4y ago
    It is interesting how one can support gay marriage, the right to abortion, the self-determination of gender identity, and so on without being a communist; but one cannot be vaguely affiliated with a group that opposed Roe v Wade without being a racist, a bigot and a misogynist that wants to strip everyone of their rights and reduce them to second-class citizens.
    - kibwen 4y ago
      This comment is such a non-sequitur that I would accuse it of being AI-generated, but even AIs are better than that these days.
dfxm12 4y ago
Racists, bigots and misogynists can at least theoretically be voted out eventually, but only with fair and free elections! To this end, Republicans benefit greatly from gerrymandered districts. They also introduce legislation that would make it harder for people to vote (and are sometimes successful). There's also the recent trend of not accepting election results. As such, they are actively fighting against democracy.
- skrbjc 4y ago
  You are living on another planet if you think that Repubs are the only ones benefitting from gerrymandering. https://www.vox.com/22961590/redistricting-gerrymandering-house-2022-midterms https://www.vox.com/22961590/redistricting-gerrymandering-ho...
  - dfxm12 4y ago
    I didn't say this. But what really gets me is that you somehow think that an article from April 2022 with such a milquetoast support for you comment as: "Yet the plain reality is that, if [Democrats] had decided not to do any of it, Republicans would not only have retained their existing advantage in the House map, they would have expanded it" leads you to such a smug reaction, especially when, spoiler alert, Republicans still win the house in Nov 2022 with the help of their own redistricting in places like FL, TN, GA, TX. Yeah, you see Republicans not accepting election results, you see Republicans enacting voter suppression laws, effectively limiting who can vote, and you see Republicans passing a comical redistricting map in Florida, and you weigh all this against Democrats gaining a new seat in growing state like Oregon or whatever, and you're acting like I'm the one another planet for thinking that these are not equal and that there's a problem here?!
spookthesunset 4y ago
> Because the divide went from "I believe in a balanced budget and you don't" to I believe you have no right to live or have bodily autonomy and I will do everything in my power to strip you of your rights. That is a straw man made up by those who have a vested interest in dividing us all. 99% of the people you meet are way more moderate than either “side” portrays them. Most people are just trying to survive and have some fun at the same time. The real problem is our voting system forces this artificial divide where the candidates of both parties drift into bozoville. It’s hard to run for office and win as a moderate because the fringe ends of the spectrum will attempt to paint that person as being an extremist too, only “the bad kind”.
- dfxm12 4y ago
  What do you mean, strawman? How can you say elected politicians who, for example, enacted trigger laws to ban abortion in the wake of Roe v Wade being over turned don't exist? I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I see comments like this and it's hard to accept that they are operating in good faith.
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    Someday your “side” will do something you absolutely disagree with. You’ll know you are right too… but your (former?) side will consider you a member of the other “side” and you’ll become a political outcast. Never again will you be able to discuss politics in polite company… It happened to me. Sincerely, a pro LGBQT, pro infrastructure, pro choice, anti vaccine mandate, anti-mask, anti-mandate, pro-gun former democrat.
LudwigNagasena 4y ago
When was it about "I believe in a balanced budget and you don't"? Was it at the same time when the divide was about gay marriage? Or the intervention in Iraq? Civil Rights? Women's suffrage? Reduction of the non-white immigration? When were those simple times of balancing budgets?

jeffwask 4y ago

Or if you don't like that one we could try... Because between 2020 and 2022 the world experienced the greatest transfer of wealth between the poor and middle class to the wealthy as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic. Or if you don't like that one we could try... Because the wealth gap between classes is the greatest it has been since the days of the robber barons and individuals who cannot afford basic medical procedures have to hope an influencer wants clicks and will pay for their surgery so they won't be blind. Or if you don't like that one we could try... As the world burns from rampant climate change, one side actively blocks any effort to halt or god forbid repair the damage done while enriching corporations and the 1%. All while the 1% jet set around doing the equivalent damage of entire countries to the climate. In the mean time the youngest generation of Americans, by and large believe they will never be able to own a home or have children.

spookthesunset 4y ago
> Because between 2020 and 2022 the world experienced the greatest transfer of wealth between the poor and middle class to the wealthy as a result of the Coronavirus pandemic. It wasn’t the virus or the pandemic that caused this. This was caused by societies insane reaction to it. Virtually all second order effects from the pandemic are caused by our reaction not by the virus.

tastyfreeze 4y ago

From what I see the battle is between collectivists and individualists. The name calling is just a weapon for discrediting people.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Forcing your personal religious beliefs onto everyone else sure as fuck isn't individualist
- tastyfreeze 4y ago
  Talking about your religious beliefs is not forcing them on anybody.
kibwen 4y ago
It is possible to be an individualist without calling for women, racial minorities, and gay people to be reduced to second-class citizens, but unfortunately given the popular rhetoric of self-proclaimed "individualists" you can be forgiven for not realizing this. You don't need to be a communist to be in favor of gay marriage, the right to abortion, the self-determination of gender identity, and so on. Back in the day we just called that "libertarianism" before the term was co-opted by anarcho-capitalists.
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
  It is interesting how one can support gay marriage, the right to abortion, the self-determination of gender identity, and so on without being a communist; but one cannot be vaguely affiliated with a group that opposed Roe v Wade without being a racist, a bigot and a misogynist that wants to strip everyone of their rights and reduce them to second-class citizens.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    This comment is such a non-sequitur that I would accuse it of being AI-generated, but even AIs are better than that these days.

dfxm12 4y ago

Racists, bigots and misogynists can at least theoretically be voted out eventually, but only with fair and free elections! To this end, Republicans benefit greatly from gerrymandered districts. They also introduce legislation that would make it harder for people to vote (and are sometimes successful). There's also the recent trend of not accepting election results. As such, they are actively fighting against democracy.

skrbjc 4y ago
You are living on another planet if you think that Repubs are the only ones benefitting from gerrymandering. https://www.vox.com/22961590/redistricting-gerrymandering-house-2022-midterms https://www.vox.com/22961590/redistricting-gerrymandering-ho...
- dfxm12 4y ago
  I didn't say this. But what really gets me is that you somehow think that an article from April 2022 with such a milquetoast support for you comment as: "Yet the plain reality is that, if [Democrats] had decided not to do any of it, Republicans would not only have retained their existing advantage in the House map, they would have expanded it" leads you to such a smug reaction, especially when, spoiler alert, Republicans still win the house in Nov 2022 with the help of their own redistricting in places like FL, TN, GA, TX. Yeah, you see Republicans not accepting election results, you see Republicans enacting voter suppression laws, effectively limiting who can vote, and you see Republicans passing a comical redistricting map in Florida, and you weigh all this against Democrats gaining a new seat in growing state like Oregon or whatever, and you're acting like I'm the one another planet for thinking that these are not equal and that there's a problem here?!

spookthesunset 4y ago

> Because the divide went from "I believe in a balanced budget and you don't" to I believe you have no right to live or have bodily autonomy and I will do everything in my power to strip you of your rights. That is a straw man made up by those who have a vested interest in dividing us all. 99% of the people you meet are way more moderate than either “side” portrays them. Most people are just trying to survive and have some fun at the same time. The real problem is our voting system forces this artificial divide where the candidates of both parties drift into bozoville. It’s hard to run for office and win as a moderate because the fringe ends of the spectrum will attempt to paint that person as being an extremist too, only “the bad kind”.

dfxm12 4y ago
What do you mean, strawman? How can you say elected politicians who, for example, enacted trigger laws to ban abortion in the wake of Roe v Wade being over turned don't exist? I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I see comments like this and it's hard to accept that they are operating in good faith.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  Someday your “side” will do something you absolutely disagree with. You’ll know you are right too… but your (former?) side will consider you a member of the other “side” and you’ll become a political outcast. Never again will you be able to discuss politics in polite company… It happened to me. Sincerely, a pro LGBQT, pro infrastructure, pro choice, anti vaccine mandate, anti-mask, anti-mandate, pro-gun former democrat.

LudwigNagasena 4y ago

When was it about "I believe in a balanced budget and you don't"? Was it at the same time when the divide was about gay marriage? Or the intervention in Iraq? Civil Rights? Women's suffrage? Reduction of the non-white immigration? When were those simple times of balancing budgets?