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That's bit of an odd claim. Why can't the SEC launch an investigation and make document requests with several weeks notice?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> SEC launch an investigation and make document requests with several weeks notice DoJ. Not SEC.
- MichaelZuo 4y ago
  According to the links you posted, the SEC would be involved. But regardless, why would the DOJ need more then several weeks of notice?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > links you posted, the SEC would be involved The links are to Tesla’s filings with the SEC. They disclose various requests, including “from the DOJ for documents related to Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD features.” (The SEC is also investigating Musk and Tesla, but that isn’t new information.) > why would the DOJ need more then several weeks of notice Criminal cases are complicated. When there is flight or document destruction risk, Justice can quickly seize and freeze. But requests typically indicate months-old processes.
    - MichaelZuo 4y ago
      'typically' is doing a lot of work there. Can the 99th percentile importance case be expedited to several weeks of notice?
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > Can the 99th percentile importance case be expedited to several weeks of notice? We don’t have evidence this wasn’t a product of retaliation. But the rapidity puts it in a narrow percentile. At which point one asks what’s the pay-off on a page-86 voluntary document request. (There are also investigations pre-dating December, including by the DoJ.)
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    I assume it's like the Trump classified-documents scandal. The agency spends a lot of time in private communications with the defendant, asking nicely for cooperation and compliance, before they launch formal investigations and issue press releases. It's tempting to complain about how only the wealthy and powerful get this kind of consideration, but if you think about it, it's no different from the way the IRS deals with any random taxpayers whose paperwork isn't in order. They don't bring out the rack and leg irons on day 1. On the other hand, yes, if this is about FSD, then cutting Tesla 10 years of slack was too lenient by any reasonable standard.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> SEC launch an investigation and make document requests with several weeks notice DoJ. Not SEC.

MichaelZuo 4y ago
According to the links you posted, the SEC would be involved. But regardless, why would the DOJ need more then several weeks of notice?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > links you posted, the SEC would be involved The links are to Tesla’s filings with the SEC. They disclose various requests, including “from the DOJ for documents related to Tesla’s Autopilot and FSD features.” (The SEC is also investigating Musk and Tesla, but that isn’t new information.) > why would the DOJ need more then several weeks of notice Criminal cases are complicated. When there is flight or document destruction risk, Justice can quickly seize and freeze. But requests typically indicate months-old processes.
  - MichaelZuo 4y ago
    'typically' is doing a lot of work there. Can the 99th percentile importance case be expedited to several weeks of notice?
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > Can the 99th percentile importance case be expedited to several weeks of notice? We don’t have evidence this wasn’t a product of retaliation. But the rapidity puts it in a narrow percentile. At which point one asks what’s the pay-off on a page-86 voluntary document request. (There are also investigations pre-dating December, including by the DoJ.)
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  I assume it's like the Trump classified-documents scandal. The agency spends a lot of time in private communications with the defendant, asking nicely for cooperation and compliance, before they launch formal investigations and issue press releases. It's tempting to complain about how only the wealthy and powerful get this kind of consideration, but if you think about it, it's no different from the way the IRS deals with any random taxpayers whose paperwork isn't in order. They don't bring out the rack and leg irons on day 1. On the other hand, yes, if this is about FSD, then cutting Tesla 10 years of slack was too lenient by any reasonable standard.