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They say it's that much safer but the data hasn't been available. They have only said concrete numbers for the number of autopilot beta users. They aren't runni

by rnk 4y ago

They say it's that much safer but the data hasn't been available. They have only said concrete numbers for the number of autopilot beta users. They aren't running as uncrewed taxis like waymo and other companies have been doing. That really suggests they aren't as far along. Tesla will almost certainly have to refund people's money, in part because they keep ratcheting up the hardware requirements and they can't bring all the people along from previous generations of hardware. There's also the issue of claiming funding was secured but it wasn't actually ready apparently, according to the infamous tweet from Musk.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> the data hasn't been available Mercedes leapfrogging Tesla on granting a liability umbrella should seal the case on the latter having a moat in self-driving technology.
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  >the latter having a moat in self-driving technology. I don't think anything will upset the narrative that Tesla is the technology leader until it's completely obvious. Not Mercedes taking liability, not Waymo operating real driverless robotaxis, not independent comparisons of tech, not videos of FSD crashing into fake children, nothing.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    It does not get more obvious than: > Not Mercedes taking liability, not Waymo operating real driverless robotaxis, not independent comparisons of tech, not videos of FSD crashing into fake children, nothing.
- aeternum 4y ago
  In what world does purchasing a group insurance policy produce a technology moat?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > what world does purchasing a group insurance policy produce a technology moat Argument is there is no moat. Mercedes is close enough to Tesla that it’s unclear who’s technologically ahead. Mercedes’ level III approvals and liability umbrella are materially ahead of Tesla. That makes FSD another feature, not a barrier to entry. There was a hypothesis that a decade on, Tesla would have the only or unequivocally best self-driving electric car. (The way it had the unequivocally best electric car for several years.) Evidence is accumulating against that outcome.
    - gibolt 4y ago
      Based on Mercedes' own demo video, it is quite clear who is ahead. It can't handle a curve and has so many explicit asterisks attached, with even more that are unknown. Promising no input (until unexpectedly required) is much worse than being ready to take over.
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      - boring_twenties 4y ago
        No idea about Mercedes but I have tried BMW's and it handled a curvy, hilly road at 110-115mph very well.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  Isn't this only for freeway-style driving (no stop lights or intersections), and only at speeds under 39 MPH?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > only for freeway-style driving (no stop lights or intersections), and only at speeds under 39 MPH? Yes. But it’s more than Tesla has granted. And the car can still self drive in other situations (like a Tesla). You just don’t get the umbrella (like a Tesla). This is a remarkable level of comparison for a company that only a few years ago looked set, if it focussed, on monopolising the EV supply chain.

by rnk 4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> the data hasn't been available Mercedes leapfrogging Tesla on granting a liability umbrella should seal the case on the latter having a moat in self-driving technology.

itsoktocry 4y ago
>the latter having a moat in self-driving technology. I don't think anything will upset the narrative that Tesla is the technology leader until it's completely obvious. Not Mercedes taking liability, not Waymo operating real driverless robotaxis, not independent comparisons of tech, not videos of FSD crashing into fake children, nothing.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  It does not get more obvious than: > Not Mercedes taking liability, not Waymo operating real driverless robotaxis, not independent comparisons of tech, not videos of FSD crashing into fake children, nothing.
aeternum 4y ago
In what world does purchasing a group insurance policy produce a technology moat?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > what world does purchasing a group insurance policy produce a technology moat Argument is there is no moat. Mercedes is close enough to Tesla that it’s unclear who’s technologically ahead. Mercedes’ level III approvals and liability umbrella are materially ahead of Tesla. That makes FSD another feature, not a barrier to entry. There was a hypothesis that a decade on, Tesla would have the only or unequivocally best self-driving electric car. (The way it had the unequivocally best electric car for several years.) Evidence is accumulating against that outcome.
  - gibolt 4y ago
    Based on Mercedes' own demo video, it is quite clear who is ahead. It can't handle a curve and has so many explicit asterisks attached, with even more that are unknown. Promising no input (until unexpectedly required) is much worse than being ready to take over.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - boring_twenties 4y ago
      No idea about Mercedes but I have tried BMW's and it handled a curvy, hilly road at 110-115mph very well.
gnicholas 4y ago
Isn't this only for freeway-style driving (no stop lights or intersections), and only at speeds under 39 MPH?
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > only for freeway-style driving (no stop lights or intersections), and only at speeds under 39 MPH? Yes. But it’s more than Tesla has granted. And the car can still self drive in other situations (like a Tesla). You just don’t get the umbrella (like a Tesla). This is a remarkable level of comparison for a company that only a few years ago looked set, if it focussed, on monopolising the EV supply chain.