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Strongly agree with this. The /entire point/ of technology is to make human beings more productive, more comfortable, and to make life more enjoyable. Why wou

Strongly agree with this. The /entire point/ of technology is to make human beings more productive, more comfortable, and to make life more enjoyable. Why would I voluntarily give up on modern technology to instead have a more miserable existence? I am actively working on plans for a new home construction that will meet PassivHaus standards and use FAR FAR FAR less energy than the place I currently live, and be able to use primarily locally sourced renewable (rooftop solar) for the majority of its energy requirements. This is both much better for the environment, and much better for my quality of life, and doesn't require me to wear thermals and pajamas with fur slippers to bed under two duvets in order to not freeze to death while I'm sleeping. I don't understand the mindset of someone who would bust their ass working in order to live like a pauper pre-industrial revolution. I work so I can afford to have luxuries like indoor plumbing, effective heating and cooling, and comfort-based climate controls. The environment is a major concern for me, and I applaud folks for thinking of ways for humanity to use less energy, but going without what I consider to be basic modern amenities is not the way. We can use modern technology to drastically (like several orders of magnitude) reduce our energy usage without resorting to a drop in quality of life.

culebron21 4y ago
Apartment building is another way of saving energy. My parents one was in the middle of the house, and we'd shut all radiators, and still it was very warm inside. I guess if per-apartment counters were added, people would keep their appartments cooler, but still it would require very few heating. And I remember the time when we had poor insulation, mostly in windows - it was misery to stay indoors in a sweater, still feeling a bit cold, but in warm sneakers, and feet sweating. Triple-glass packet windows were a blessing!
onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
Your existence is more miserable because you wear a sweater in winter and a t-shirt in summer? Have you considered that maybe your sweater could be comfortable?
- tristor 4y ago
  If I have to wear that sweater inside my own home, where I get to control the thermostat, I would say that this is a more miserable existence. I'm not sure what there is that's not understandable about that.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    You have to wear clothes - if they're equally comfortable, I'm not sure why it matters. When you go outside, you're going to want a sweater on anyway. Why is it better to have to change your clothes when you go inside and outside?
    - throwpp034578 4y ago
      > You have to wear clothes Not necessarily. Underwear I'll grant, it'd be uncomfortable not to, but otherwise I don't see why one has to wear clothes. Also, do blankets count as clothes? You (or I, at least :-)) can easily be comfortable "wearing" just a blanket and underwear at a temp of around 10 °C.
    - culebron21 4y ago
      It's better to change clothes when it's -10..-25 C (14..-10F) outside. You can't stay indoors in heavy clothes and heavy shoes (and snow and sand and salt will melt indoors). I'm sure people here are having so much disagreement because they live in very different climates. I stayed some days in Italy in winter, and their indoor heating was just minimal, it was like +17 C (62 F). I did find it miserable. You can't take a shower quietly, because it's cold in the bathroom too, and you must dress up very very quickly. How do people in such places go to the toilet when they wake up at night? Do they sleep dressed? Or dress up, or just endure the cold for couple of minutes? I'll find it ok to put on a sweater for the most cold week or two in a year, but not for months.

culebron21 4y ago

Apartment building is another way of saving energy. My parents one was in the middle of the house, and we'd shut all radiators, and still it was very warm inside. I guess if per-apartment counters were added, people would keep their appartments cooler, but still it would require very few heating. And I remember the time when we had poor insulation, mostly in windows - it was misery to stay indoors in a sweater, still feeling a bit cold, but in warm sneakers, and feet sweating. Triple-glass packet windows were a blessing!

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

Your existence is more miserable because you wear a sweater in winter and a t-shirt in summer? Have you considered that maybe your sweater could be comfortable?

tristor 4y ago
If I have to wear that sweater inside my own home, where I get to control the thermostat, I would say that this is a more miserable existence. I'm not sure what there is that's not understandable about that.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  You have to wear clothes - if they're equally comfortable, I'm not sure why it matters. When you go outside, you're going to want a sweater on anyway. Why is it better to have to change your clothes when you go inside and outside?
  - throwpp034578 4y ago
    > You have to wear clothes Not necessarily. Underwear I'll grant, it'd be uncomfortable not to, but otherwise I don't see why one has to wear clothes. Also, do blankets count as clothes? You (or I, at least :-)) can easily be comfortable "wearing" just a blanket and underwear at a temp of around 10 °C.
  - culebron21 4y ago
    It's better to change clothes when it's -10..-25 C (14..-10F) outside. You can't stay indoors in heavy clothes and heavy shoes (and snow and sand and salt will melt indoors). I'm sure people here are having so much disagreement because they live in very different climates. I stayed some days in Italy in winter, and their indoor heating was just minimal, it was like +17 C (62 F). I did find it miserable. You can't take a shower quietly, because it's cold in the bathroom too, and you must dress up very very quickly. How do people in such places go to the toilet when they wake up at night? Do they sleep dressed? Or dress up, or just endure the cold for couple of minutes? I'll find it ok to put on a sweater for the most cold week or two in a year, but not for months.