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A lot of these programs can be summed up with simple rules and processes. Ensure diversity in the hiring pipeline, treat everyone with respect, check your bias
by mountainriver 4y ago
A lot of these programs can be summed up with simple rules and processes.
Ensure diversity in the hiring pipeline, treat everyone with respect, check your biases.
- null0ranje 4y agoThis is probably the best way to think about it. DEI departments seem like they would have the opposite effect: they become an adversarial entity within an organization. Integrating those goals into the organization as a whole seems like it would have a much greater impact.
- TurkishPoptart 4y agoSerious question, how do you "ensure diversity"? How do you even define diversity? I agree with the other things you said.
- nostromo123 4y agoIn practice, diversity usually means "not white".
- TurkishPoptart 4y agoYou're basically right. My gripe is that, who decides who is "white"? Are Jews white? Are Irish? Are Ukrainians? Are Mexicans? Maybe they are now, but it wasn't necessarily the case twenty, thirty, or fifty years ago. And so what if we are mixed-race? What if we are a quarter white? Do we really want to go down this rabbit hole of racial politics? This is exactly what the Nazis did...as did slave-owning Southerners. Maybe in the long run it's better if we just... keep race out of the question, and treat people like _individuals_. Anyway, I hope that doesn't sound too argumentative or bombastic. I just horribly hate the idea of being tossed into a "racial category" by someone that doesn't know me, my family history, etc.
- mountainriver 4y agoIt's based on how they self identify
- TurkishPoptart 4y agoSo...what if we all just "self identify" as gay, black, trans, handicapped, etc. to get maximum diversity points and take advantage of this flawed and fraudulent system? Have you given this any thought?
- mountainriver 4y agoYeah you can do that, it will just look very bad on you so people don't
- Gigachad 4y agoEnsuring diversity is obviously a terrible goal. The only sane and ethical goal is ensuring equality. If everyone got exactly the same opportunity and the best based on skill got hired, job done.
- mountainriver 4y agoYeah its more or an art than a science, but get metrics based on how they self identify
- TurkishPoptart 4y agoWhat if I don't want to "self identify"? Can't I just do my job as an individual, instead of a half-South African woman employee? I don't like this, and I don't like that this is becoming the norm; it does way more harm in the long run than good in my view.
- thrownawaydad 4y agoWhere I currently work (academia), it's a litmus test. At least for faculty and management staff, if you don't submit an appropriately florid DEI statement, you won't get hired. This makes me a bit sad.
- fidgewidge 4y agoIf you're putting people in the hiring pipeline that are only there to fit a simple rule or process, then that's not really treating people with respect? Someone should only be chased by a recruiter or given an interview if there's actually a desire to hire them for their abilities. Fundamentally there's no way to engage in any diversity initiatives of any kind that don't require disrespecting people or outright discriminating against them. Which is why DIE needs to die.
- throwaway1851 4y agoI love that your completely reasonable statement of opinion has been grayed out by anonymous, petty censors in this forum.
- fidgewidge 4y agoIt's fixed now, so apparently those who agree are in a slight majority.