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From the outside looking in, I didn't hear much about political independence and interference before Brexit. It was all economic control of your own destiny; th

From the outside looking in, I didn't hear much about political independence and interference before Brexit. It was all economic control of your own destiny; that sort of talk. I'm afraid that what you're saying is just grasping at straws for the people who were either lied to, or aware of what would happen but still malicious enough to follow through. It's fitting a narrative to a problem afterwards, I think. Again, I'm in the US, and followed Brexit closely (because I was terrified of the impact on the comedy panel shows. . . just kidding), but don't live there anymore.

racktash 4y ago
The public political slogans on both sides were dominated by economic arguments. In the case of the Remain side, this was a concrete, measurable benefit that could be pointed to – a very powerful argument in favour of staying. On the Leave side, I believe the economic arguments/claims made were mostly in reaction to the Remain claims: trying to weaken the Remain side's economic claims with their own rebuttals as it were. I make NO claims, either way, as to who is "right" about the economic argument – I have my own opinion, already stated, but I am just not clever enough or well read enough to KNOW the answer to such a complex question. My point in this whole thing is that I don't think the majority of everyday people who voted Leave were motivated by the economic claims. A few, no doubt, were convinced by the "extra money for XXX" claims, but I think the far stronger concern was political sovereignty and independence. I voted Remain thinking it made economic sense. But I was also pro-Remain because I liked the idea of a closely integrated (politically) Europe. A Europe with a standard set of human rights, a common citizenship and so on. Not everybody shared this vision (clearly), and not because they are simpletons who expected a new golden age on the event of leaving.

racktash 4y ago

The public political slogans on both sides were dominated by economic arguments. In the case of the Remain side, this was a concrete, measurable benefit that could be pointed to – a very powerful argument in favour of staying. On the Leave side, I believe the economic arguments/claims made were mostly in reaction to the Remain claims: trying to weaken the Remain side's economic claims with their own rebuttals as it were. I make NO claims, either way, as to who is "right" about the economic argument – I have my own opinion, already stated, but I am just not clever enough or well read enough to KNOW the answer to such a complex question. My point in this whole thing is that I don't think the majority of everyday people who voted Leave were motivated by the economic claims. A few, no doubt, were convinced by the "extra money for XXX" claims, but I think the far stronger concern was political sovereignty and independence. I voted Remain thinking it made economic sense. But I was also pro-Remain because I liked the idea of a closely integrated (politically) Europe. A Europe with a standard set of human rights, a common citizenship and so on. Not everybody shared this vision (clearly), and not because they are simpletons who expected a new golden age on the event of leaving.